Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

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    Looks like with a load out of four Harpoon missiles.
     
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    what's happened, happened:
    Littoral Combat Ship
    part of Top Stories 2016: U.S. Navy Acquisition https://news.usni.org/2016/12/29/top-stories-2016-u-s-navy-acquisition
     
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    I beg your pardon, USNI News
    Top Stories 2016: International Acquisition https://news.usni.org/2016/12/30/top-stories-2016-international-acquisition

    More Details Emerge of Saudi Frigate Design
    so what? LOL
     
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    So the Saudi's now get the ship that the US needs with capabilities the LCS can only dream off I really think that if the jugheads in DC would have thought this thru a little bit we would also have them to if procured in the numbers the current ships are the economics of scale would take over thus driving the price down to an acceptable figure
     
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    ... no, now Saudis aren't getting anything, what I quoted is a vague text about 'configuration offered'
     
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    while "Frigate Acquisition Strategy Rushes Procurement in Light of Continued Unknowns"
    http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/681485.pdf

    I marvel at issues like this:

    "For the Independence variant, air defense testing continues to be delayed and its
    completion is now in doubt as well because of higher priority testing of the CVN 78
    air defense systems. Additionally, the Program Executive Office for LCS sent a letter
    to the Navy’s Surface Warfare Director (N96) stating that Independence variant air
    warfare testing cannot be executed at current funding levels.The Navy had planned to
    conduct the first of the planned operationally realistic live-fire events on the
    self-defense test ship in FY16, but postponed the test indefinitely because of anticipated
    poor performance predicted by pre-test modeling and analysis of the planned test event
    scenario. Without these tests, an adequate assessment of the Independence-class
    probability of raid annihilation requirement is not possible. Based on the Navy’s most
    recent plans, DOT&E expects that the Independence variant will have been in service nearly
    10 years by the time that air defense testing is complete, which at the time of this
    testimony is not anticipated before FY20."

    (Mine Countermeasures Package is even a bigger mess, for example the USN calling Unmanned Surface Vessel 'game changer' (what else, huh) in 2012 and ... funding Remote Multi-Mission Vehicle instead to ... 'halt its further procurement' in 2016 etc. etc. EDIT and I chose not to read about SuW and ASW Packages):

    STATEMENT
    BY
    J. MICHAEL GILMORE
    DIRECTOR, OPERATIONAL TEST AND
    EVALUATION
    OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
    BEFORE THE
    U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE
    ON
    THE NAVY’S LITTORAL COMBAT SHIP PROGRAM
    http://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS06/20161208/105447/HHRG-114-AS06-Wstate-GilmoreJ-20161208.pdf

    and it'll get very interesting in the light of the promised 350 (or more!) ships Navy!
     
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    There in lies the overall problem every one seems to overlook about all defense programs not only LCS but the whole defense establishment after all of the contractors, managers, employees are are paid their inflated salaries and fees for this that and the other thing there isnt enough left over to see if the things being built actually WORK that is the crux that may never be solved and its the people that actually have to fight the things that end up paying the price lots of times
     
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    There is an entire set of procedures to test these military ships and equipment. First by the builde before being turned over to the military. Then by the military before being accepted and commissioned. This involves months and months on existing designs, and up to 2-3 years on new designs.

    When an administration like the Obala administration, and to soem degree the Clinton, and the arter administration, tries to save money by cutting maintenance and testing dollars...or other admins with hair-brained ideas...that is where the problem lies.

    But the defense contrators and the military kow how to get things desinged, buit, tested and maintained...if the pols will just let them.

    But, when they don't, word of it trickles back to the people from their sons and daughters and from officers and head NCOs and some of the politiscians who are sickened by it and usually this can help turn over politicians, or get them defeated.

    I beleve we saw some of that (among other things) in this most recent election.
     
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    Q: What’s in the near future for LCS? Is that the only deployment scheduled for 2017?

    A: That is correct.

    Q: You don’t have another LCS deployment scheduled for 2017?

    A: No, I don’t think so.

    says who?! Vice Admiral Thomas S. Rowden
    Commander Naval Surface Force
    http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/Pages/Bio1.aspx#.WHPs8mW7qpo

    in January 8, 2017 Interview: Vice Adm. Tom Rowden, Commander, US Naval Forces http://www.defensenews.com/articles/interview-vice-adm-tom-rowden-commander-us-naval-forces
     
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    Jeez.... January 20th can't get here soon enough.....I hope to see some real change in the defense industry..most notably accountability!
     
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