Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

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  1. dtulsa
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    Yep that's what I was reading it seems like a good place to set up logistics sites provided they can get the money to them from what I read it really isn't that much and the Senate denied it not the house Senate also looking into cutting off base housing that would really hurt the married service people Badly
     
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    Actually it was denied in the house no mention of it in the Senate
     
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    "seems like a good place to set logistic sites" while referring to the second island chain ... that would be an understatement if ever there was one

    gosh first they need to pay Palau
    (before whatever "unfunded request" US Military fantasy you found could happen)
    or the Chinese come there, as I already reposted above Today at 9:47 AM (and you didn't seem to get)

    in other words: they spend one bil (or more) per year on the LCS PORK but may loose the whole archipelago by not paying now EDIT 123.9m
     
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    I'm with ya in this one just liked it was all related in a way seen the Coronado docked in Vietnam now wouldn't that be a good site for storage also kinda ironic as all these bases and countries at one time or another cost a lot of US lives to take or defend history is strange at times
     
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    I think they will get the money it's too important not to but we shall see
     
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    ... details emerging:

    "On May 23, the U.S. Navy rolled out its 2018 budget request that included one littoral combat ship, or LCS. The logic was that since Congress had given the Navy three in fiscal year 2017, an additional one would keep both builders — Wisconsin-based Marinette Marine and Alabama-based Austal USA — afloat.

    But inside the White House, alarm bells went off in some sectors. Peter Navarro, the head of U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade and industrial policy office, was looking at information indicating one ship could trigger layoffs at both shipyards. Those concerns were shared by senior Trump aides Rick Dearborn and Stephen Miller — both old hands of long-time Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions — and together they lobbied and prevailed upon Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney to add a second ship to the request."

    Life support: The Navy's struggle to define a LCS bare minimum http://www.defensenews.com/articles/life-support-the-struggle-to-define-a-lcs-bare-minimum
    goes on below due to size limit
     
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    continuation of the post right above:
    source: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/life-support-the-struggle-to-define-a-lcs-bare-minimum
     
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    where do I start here ... I've read
    Base Notice: RFI: FFG(X) - US Navy Guided Missile Frigate Replacement Program -
    N0002418R2300 http://snagfilms-a.akamaihd.net/d7/...frigate-replacement-program-n0002418r2300.pdf

    already twice; I also read (but not twice LOL) the following articles (I don't repost the texts as I don't know if anybody cares about what's going on):

    Frigate competition wide open: Navy specs reveal major design shift http://www.defensenews.com/articles...frigate-a-break-from-the-littoral-combat-ship

    Navy Releases Details of New FFG(X) Guided-Missile Frigate Program in Request to Industry https://news.usni.org/2017/07/10/na...issile-frigate-program-in-request-to-industry

    Exclusive interview: The Navy's surface warfare director talks frigate requirements http://www.defensenews.com/articles...e-warfare-director-talks-frigate-requirements

    I'm going to add my thoughts later
     
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    PDF fordétails
    http://snagfilms-a.akamaihd.net/d7/...frigate-replacement-program-n0002418r2300.pdf

    And the surprise no ESSM and short range for a USN Frigate 3000mn/16 kn ! disapointing i do face palm !
     
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    Today at 1:14 PM
    but later noticed in Internet several analyses/"analyses" emerged, so without reading them now, I'll just repeat the politically-correct points from the Facebook discussion with 'dtulsa' here (LOL thanks man):

    first of all
    "The U.S. Navy's requirement is for 52 small-surface combatants, the bulk of which will be LCS." (the quotes here come from either article I linked above Today at 1:14 PM)
    which means they'll keep building the LCS PORK Jul 1, 2017

    also most important:
    "We want this to be part of the high/low mix."
    the first time I've heard this from USN (until now everything, including dysfunctional LCSs, was "front end")

    then, there's a puzzling radar part:
    "So on this ship we are looking at something more like a three-by-three, so four six-foot-by-six foot arrays."

    [one of the requirements]: Enterprise Air Surveillance Radar (EASR) 3 face fixed array (3x3x3
    Radar Modular Assembly)

    why puzzling? because "Concepts of employment for this type of ship will include integrated operations with area air defense capable destroyers and cruisers as well as independent operations while connected and contributing to the fleet tactical grid."

    it's related to the really vague part
    Self Defense Launcher Capability
    finally the USN appears to have dropped the nonsensical 'saving over the lifetime by reduced manning' claim:
    "200 personnel crew max" between "Key FFG(X) Threshold Attributes"
    but who knows

    finally the USN appears to have dropped the excessive speed (good just for fanbois) requirement:
    "28 kts at 80% MCR" between "Key FFG(X) Threshold Attributes"

    the range should enable to sail between Hawaii and California without refueling, something an LCS couldn't Apr 29, 2015
     
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