Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)


dtulsa

Junior Member
Ok for my 2 cents worth I have and re-read these articles multiple times the vine that catches my eye as well as the ESSM and Sm2 parts is the prices they are talking about which start at 700 million and go up 1.2 billion so that give an idea I of what they are talking about Fremm multi role in that 700 ballpark while the Legend T26 and Fremm AAW are in the 1.2 billion range how ever with a production run if at least 20 the prices may actually be lower due to economy of scale
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
One other thing is rate of production which as now stated as 1 per year in 2020 and 2021 the 2 per year after that but this is certainly subject to change one I do expect this time is the navy to be very cautious after the LCS fiasco
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
Today at 1:14 PM


but later noticed in Internet several analyses/"analyses" emerged, so without reading them now, I'll just repeat the politically-correct points from the Facebook discussion with 'dtulsa' here (LOL thanks man):

first of all
"The U.S. Navy's requirement is for 52 small-surface combatants, the bulk of which will be LCS." (the quotes here come from either article I linked above Today at 1:14 PM)
which means they'll keep building the LCS PORK Jul 1, 2017

also most important:
"We want this to be part of the high/low mix."
the first time I've heard this from USN (until now everything, including dysfunctional LCSs, was "front end")

then, there's a puzzling radar part:
"So on this ship we are looking at something more like a three-by-three, so four six-foot-by-six foot arrays."

[one of the requirements]: Enterprise Air Surveillance Radar (EASR) 3 face fixed array (3x3x3
Radar Modular Assembly)

why puzzling? because "Concepts of employment for this type of ship will include integrated operations with area air defense capable destroyers and cruisers as well as independent operations while connected and contributing to the fleet tactical grid."

it's related to the really vague part
Self Defense Launcher Capability


finally the USN appears to have dropped the nonsensical 'saving over the lifetime by reduced manning' claim:
"200 personnel crew max" between "Key FFG(X) Threshold Attributes"
but who knows

finally the USN appears to have dropped the excessive speed (good just for fanbois) requirement:
"28 kts at 80% MCR" between "Key FFG(X) Threshold Attributes"

the range should enable to sail between Hawaii and California without refueling, something an LCS couldn't Apr 29, 2015
Since when was SM2 active?
 

mankyle

New Member
Registered Member
Since when was SM2 active?

I like the idea of using the NSC hull as a base for the new frigate.

And regarding existing desings, something like the F-310 Fridtjof Nansen would also fit the bill.
120 men crew, can be equipped with up to 3 mk41, there is a reserve for a RAM, SeaRAM ot Phalanx, has a Variable deep array, short range torpedoes, space for SSM launchers, one helo, and SPY-1F Radar

I could also be sold by LM due to the relationship LM has with Navantia.

It would be a low risk alternative
 
Now for the question if a foreign design is indeed chosen is this time enough to start production?
there'll be no such a thing as a foreign buy, no, just check Monday at 6:36 AM

Jul 1, 2017

... details emerging:

"On May 23, the U.S. Navy rolled out its 2018 budget request that included one littoral combat ship, or LCS. The logic was that since Congress had given the Navy three in fiscal year 2017, an additional one would keep both builders — Wisconsin-based Marinette Marine and Alabama-based Austal USA — afloat.

But inside the White House, alarm bells went off in some sectors. Peter Navarro, the head of U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade and industrial policy office, was looking at information indicating one ship could trigger layoffs at both shipyards. Those concerns were shared by senior Trump aides Rick Dearborn and Stephen Miller — both old hands of long-time Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions — and together they lobbied and prevailed upon Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney to add a second ship to the request."

Life support: The Navy's struggle to define a LCS bare minimum
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goes on below due to size limit
plus (I don't mean to go political) try imagine Trump with his 'Buy American' would come out to announce: The winner is ...
Cantiere navale di Riva Trigoso

LOL!
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
didn't get your question bro
Rephrase to my knowledge the SM 2 requires illumination tho the article suggest an active type seeker that would equate to SM6 types of capability which although I would love to see there is absolutely 0 chance of happening
 

dtulsa

Junior Member
there'll be no such a thing as a foreign buy, no, just check Monday at 6:36 AM

plus (I don't mean to go political) try imagine Trump with his 'Buy American' would come out to announce: The winner is ...
Cantiere navale di Riva Trigoso

LOL!
Heavens I don't think we actually have any ships that don't have some type of foreign influences especially when it comes to ships of this type and size maybe the Burkes Ticos. And the carriers but 0 frigates types even my favorite legend cutters have Canadian designers
 

FORBIN

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And the surprise no ESSM and short range for a USN Frigate 3000mn/16 kn ! disapointing i do face palm !
But noted as option curiously... so remains possible ...

Self Defense Launcher Capability - To increase the FFG(X) self-defense, the Navy is particularly interested in understanding the trade space surrounding the addition of Launcher Capability (to support Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile Block 2 and/or Standard Missile-2 Active missiles). Solutions should describe the launcher type, cell quantities the proposed design could accommodate, and if able to be cost effectively integrated include considerations for strike length variants to maximize weapons flexibility. The Navy is also interested in the

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