Ladakh Flash Point

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ougoah

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nagreement.no the patrol blocking had been going on since well before 2017. It just got more attention on 2017 due to the Dolan standoff.

You mean like India would perform patrol blocking of PLA if PLA go into the disputed land? PLA isn't allowed to block and intercept Indian army patrols within land that is disputed?

Let's start again might be helpful. What is your core point today? That China patrols more than India like you said earlier right?

Well the only valid evidence proves India patrols more. That's it. There's nothing more to say. Showing a video of PLA intercepting an Indian patrol or India intercepting a PLA patrol (we can't tell from the vid or indeed even where the location actually is), is not relevant is it?

Quote from VK Singh.

"China had transgressed many times over the years with its own perception of the LAC. “Similarly, none of you come to know how many times we have transgressed as per our perception. Chinese media does not cover it,” Gen. Singh said.

Let me assure you, if China has transgressed 10 times, we must have done it at least 50 times,” he added."

Ask why China went in to occupy F8 to F4 in April or May 2020, seems like they had enough of India's patrolling and attempt to gain de facto control of the remaining disputed land on the Ladakh side. Not to mention the growing intensity of meetups between PLA and IA within other parts of the disputed land. India was very unhappy that PLA went into the 20%. They wanted unilateral access and when PLA came in as they have every right India has being in there, Indians beat up a PLA communication officer who was outnumbered at least 10 to 1 but the brave jai hinds were no use against men who were not unarmed and alone.
 
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twineedle

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@twinneedle. What you are trying to do is use a 2017 video of two sides on the disputed land. This was before April 2020 when PLA occupied F8 to F4. Back in 2017 PLA did not occupy F8 to F4. BTW maybe it also needs to be said unless you twist stuff again, India also did not occupy it. Both sides patrolled unknown parts of the disputed 20%. This much you also agree with. Can you also agree then that there is a possibility that China simply did not want India patrolling so much because possibly India did patrol so much that it represented as a attempt at salami slicing the 20%? The response from China was to occupy F8 to F4 from April 2020 to around December when final disengagement was performed.

If PLA already occupied F8 to F4, and I'm not sure if this is part of your aim to make it seem like PLA was always there, then I ask you why PLA's presence in F8 to F4 was so troubling to India only in 2020? When they could have been controlling F8 to F4 since 2017 or 2018?
I thought I made it clear that by presense, I meant patrols, not structures? I think its clear PLA only built permanent structures in 2020. And for the most part, I actually agree with this post. Only issue is your claim pla was rarely patrolling those same areas.
 
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ougoah

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If Pakistani version is to be believed, Indian intelligence agencies carried out a surgical strike against China, deep inside Pakistan.


Wasn't it always suspected by China and Pakistan that this was done by Indian financed terror groups from Pakistan and Afghanistan?

India complains about terrorism while using it. India's been leveraging Afghanistan against Pakistan since I could remember. A real shame Pakistan could not adequately protect foreign experts sent for infrastructure projects.
 

twineedle

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Yeah. That's the part they're negotiating now. India's agreed to buffer on Pangong and now Gogra but remains in disputed areas. I don't know who patrols more now but my guess would be Indians have more positions and presence within the remaining areas that have not been converted into a buffer zone.
I agree with you on this. One example is the larger number of camps India has in Galwan, which is part of the 20%, compared with China. I believe I gave this example in another post a few days ago.
 
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lgnxz

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On the latest video released by China, you can even see Indian soldiers destroying the tent.
What latest video?? You *surely* are not trying to blatantly lie by completely reversing the story right? Must be not, indians are well known to be honest people, especially with topics that regards to their military or anything related to their country as a whole.. ☺️

Because the only clip that I know that shows a tent from galwan video is actually
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, detailing how indian is placing their tent and the PLA is negotiating its removal.

So please, post the video that show that.
 

lgnxz

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Now a clear headed review of motivations, who started the first move? that's a chicken or egg question. In Jan 2020, the circumstances and situation if not "started" by India would be "started" by China right? Both answers are correct in their own way but the important note would be to realise that whoever is assigned as the "starter", started the recent Ladakh confrontation in response to what they considered unacceptable.
There's no such thing as chicken-egg dilemma on the whole border skirmishes that have happened. Especially so for the galwan clash, where china has posted multiple videos with well-explained chronology of the event, the same can't be said for india and their apologists, who has posted zilch on it.

You should watch those videos to get a good grasp on it rather than wasting time 'debating' endlessly with these indians who have provided zero proof from their side, and are more interested in muddying the actual event that has been documented properly by the PLA.
 

siegecrossbow

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If Pakistani version is to be believed (I myself don't believe it), Indian intelligence agencies carried out a surgical strike against China, deep inside Pakistan.


Are you seriously trying to admit that India committed acts of terrorism on this forum? :D :D :D I wish I could sticky this comment but unfortunately we don't have an option to do this. Instead I'm going to do the next best thing and bookmark it.

p.s. Looks like somebody tried to backtrack after I made my post. Sorry, you don't get off that easy. I'm gonna hang it here for everyone to see.

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