Never heard of Nitin Gokheile and Shiv Aroor as reputable. But at least for Ajai Shukla has always been a guest in BBC news, France 24, and DW News. I guess the foreign news media don't believe in Nitin Gokheile and Shiv Aroor's bullshit.
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Never heard of Nitin Gokheile and Shiv Aroor as reputable. But at least for Ajai Shukla has always been a guest in BBC news, France 24, and DW News. I guess the foreign news media don't believe in Nitin Gokheile and Shiv Aroor's bullshit.
What evidence did you post that runs contrary to the narrative that China had gains while India was on the backfoot during the confrontation?
None. Whatsoever.
But you keep popping up time to time digging up already posted things to argue about something.
You don't even give out your clear position on these either , choosing to beat around the bush and elicit some new responses.
Again. What is this map intended to show?
An India on the offensive?
A china on the offensive?
A China taking gains ?
An India having gains over China?
A stalemate?
You have created your own boogeyman and is trying to argue against it, dunce.
"Oh , my posts are against the narrative "
" MuH nEutRal EvIdeNcE"
"I aPoLogize if my EvidenCes are not nice here "
In actuality, its just hollow remarks intended to flamebait at best. You don't have any evidence that gives strength to your narrative - Which is that of an India that soundly defeated and made gains on China. Its a fantasy and you know that.
Satellite imagery that shows WHAT ?
I do understand your frustration but satellite imagery that shows China not having any Gains and India making gains is a construct of your fantasy. Most members of this forum have either strived to analyze it or stay silent when you come up with new "evidences".
You shedding tears here is unbecoming. Posting complaints when you have submitted posts that never supports your agenda even slightly but you exaggerate its importance and venerate its primacy.
Copium is best taken by Jai Hinds who have a nation roiled by disease, poor economic credentials, substandard military strength and a superpower dream that never materializes.
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The term “Blitzkrieg” was never used by the German army officially or as a common slang. It was actually invented by English newspaper after invasion of Poland because the Teutonic “blitzkrieg” sounds more menacing and implacable than “lightening war”.
‘Auftragstaktik” Actually was and is widely used in the German army. It was never official lexicon, but had been widely used in the German army since the late 19th century, and continued to be widely used today, even though the post war German federal army added a different official term, “Führen mit Auftrag”, to describe the same thing. But the official term remain less commonly used in the German army than the unofficial one. Auftragstaktik was actually a pejorative term coined by conservative elements of officer Corp to deride the new command concept. The word was then embraced by the practitioners of the German bottoms up command concept.
“ Schwerpunkt” is a heuristic describing the somewhat nebulous concept of the focus of the battle, or the center of gravity of the situation. But in itself it does not translate to the flexibility and adaptability that characterized the command structure of Wehrmacht that led to repeated successes during the era of German Blitzkrieg. If there is a key concept that that made German flexible command work during Blitzkrieg, it might be “ Fingerspitzengefühl”, which is a complex term that mean something like a tactile sensitivity to the subtlety of the situation.
In modern tactical decision theory, it might be said the Germans always had a tighter OODC loop. The key to continued German success during blitzkrieg was less about rapidly bypassing enemy front and strike at his rear. That it would be good to strike at the enemy rear had occurred to the enemy too. But the Germans were along in being able to rapidly identify where the enemy front can be penetrated, and also how to flexibly penetrate deeply with limited forces without having to methodically reinforce their own flanks. So It was not just boldness. It was an ability to consistently get inside of the their opponent’s observe, orient, decide, and act loop. The Germans can collate information about enemy at a lower command level closer to the point of contact. The lower level command can quickly orient the observation within the larger command of which the command is but a part, make timely decision that effect the larger command, which in other armies must wait for information to travel up to the larger command, and then act promptly. They Germans won because they made bold decisions based on circumstances more quickly and better than their enemies.
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Actually, detresfa's map supports the statement you posted of Amb. Bambawale that the Indian Army thwarted China. I guess the POSSIBLE gains he specifically said China MAY have achieved is that China moved closer to the Colombo line. Mighty big acheivement. Unless you are blind or illiterate(either of which are possible) you can clearly see where detresfa has mapped the remaining Chinese forward encampments, one of which has actually since been withdrawn according to India Today. You can also see where theya re in relation to the LAC, which hasn't changed despite China's attempts to shift if at Galwan, hot Springs and other locations. The map also shows the Indian Army clearly pushed back China, which the source you yourself posted implied. Maybe next time you should actually read your sources more carefully before trying to cherry pick them and present them out of context to support your failing narrative. Then again, that requires to ability to thoroughly read and comprehend.
I understand why you are so angry that you have resorted to personal attacks, since the ground reality is that all third party neutral evidence clearly debunks the narrative of Chinese victory over India, which was ironically first propagated by a few dubious Indian sources. Obviously, I understand that reality is hard to accept for some(not all) members here. Hence, questionable Indian media sources are apparently more reliable than third-party satellite imagery lol.
The fact that you didn't even respond to Detresfa's map and simply personally attacked me says everything.
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I'm not a cow piss drinker to be posting maps without context and then wail incessantly that evidences aren't being welcomed the way I want it to be.
If you choose to go down a path of ad-hominem, I can play that game pretty well.
Your statement about recalibrations were discussed prior. Next time post things with description and make your position clear.
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Again with the personal attacks. Nice job.
Aren't we all forgetting that there was the use of methamphetamine to boost the soldiers into these "blitzkrieg".
I cringe when I hear talk about it. The internet is rife with Jai Hinds posting Indian army videos and drawing parallel to Blitzkrieg and Nazi soldiers. It's sad. I do understand their love - swastika / Aryan superiority etc but it's just pitiful.
Only a specially constructed circus mirror would show Indians as anything close to the "Aryans" of Nazi Germany. We should drop discussions about that.
Indeed. Tit for tat.
Or did my statement about Copium and India not being a superpower rub you the wrong way?
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