I don't believe I have ever said India is a superpower, but nice assumptions.
Ladakh Flash Point
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Unless you are playing dummy to this- "Thwarting China" has little military substance and much political rhetoric. I know you realize that.
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So you indeed accept that China has gains over India. That's good. Yes. Any gain of China is a big ACHIEVEMENT. Because it's subjective. China maintains that no inch would be given up.
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Remember the statement of RJS patrol commander posted to Galwan decades ago ?
Remember the patrol points beyond the Gogra Post?
Indeed, LAC has shifted. Gains were made.
Seems like China's camp has come back online at the Kugrang River confluence. Someone replied to that post noting this.
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Indian army pushed back China? Where? Do point out where in a map. Because if it did, I would indeed accept it.
He only mentions that China intended to move to Eastern Ladakh and Indian army thwarted it. That's a broad statement as no one except the Chinese PLA upper ranks know how much they intended to move towards their claims or beyond ( if any at all).
The question is - Did you read the article?
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Nice projection. What system are you using? A Canon?
China has not declared Victory over India.No one declared victory in this forum. Few, including me, were of the observation that China made gains in areas other than Pangong Tso and likely has India shift the LAC.
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There is nothing to attack in Detresfa's map as it doesn't give out any earth shattering new findings. The only issue that can be argued about would be the LAC Detresfa draws but that's an argument leading nowhere as LAC hasn't been disclosed by neither India or China fully.
No. He would scurry back to his base to report that sinodefence forum doesn't allow his NeUtRal UnBiAseD EvIdEnCe and there is some kind of cope fest here -
Lifting the spirits of those who are actually coping hard over there at their base.
This is the LAC as per Lt. Gen. HS Panag's perception. Now compare that to where Detresfa mapped Chinese posts. The Kugrang Changlung confluence is the disputed area both sides perceive as within the LAC, both sides have camps there. India's post at CK is pp17a. Other than that, China wasn't even able to cross the LAC, despite its claims being well east of it. That explains why the source you yourself posted has concluded that the Indian Army has thwarted China.
As for gains, the Indian Army is now much closer to its perception of the LAC than it was two years ago.
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I could care less what they think. It changes nothing if he stays or gets kicked out. My philosophy is if I see a tumor (and a big one at that), I cut it out.
No, it's actually a very central, clear and simple concept. I just quickly googled for a source for you, but I'm sure you can find many more:
Quote: "His central principle was the need to employ tanks in mass at the point of main effort on the battlefield, or Schewpunk"
Title: Heinz Guderian As the Agent of Change: His Significant Impact on the Development of German Armored Forces Between the World Wars
Army History, No. 31 (Summer 1994), pp. 26-34.
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You are over-simplifying very complex issues, like the earlier discussion about morale you were engaged in. There is no universally agreed answer to the question of the "key" to German success, and you shouldn't be pretending as if your answer is dogmatically correct, or the only option on the table. It isn't even universally accepted that "German success" was as "continued" long enough to merit such statements. On top of that, there were points early on at the start of the war where German operational 'brilliance' was riddled with massive errors that would've crippled Germany's entire plan before it even started, but they were saved only by sheer luck or incompetence of its enemies. In any case, this is a long and very complicated discussion, where there is no simple answer. And this is not the thread to have it.
I think we have discussed this perception of LAC too.
India's post at PP17A is the Gogra Post.
Opposite the Hot Springs of China in the PP17 general region lies the CK confluence.
The CK confluence, it's China's claims vs India's LAC. And China is closer to its claims with that camp at CK than India with its LAC.
China is much closer to its claims and India is much closer to its LAC. Indeed.
Again - thwarting China is just a statement without substance. Has China formerly or otherwise expressed and demonstrated intention to get all its claims? How can you insist China has been thwarted while at the same time you say China might've made gains?
Aren't you assuming that China wanted to take more?
Detresfa's map shows that with that exception, all of China's posts are outside India's perception of the LAC, which remains the same as it was since 1962 despite China’s unsuccessful attempts to shift it. China attempted to reach its claims but was thwarted by the Indian Army, as specifically stated by Amb. Bambawale.
You are the one who posted the interview with Amb. Bambawale, not me. And China only has one camp remaining. All others were dismantled and withdrawn, you can even see the groundworks on google maps. India today even showed that China's Hot Springs camp on its side was further pulled back(recalibrated).
The CK has been disputed since 62, and India is mirror deployed at its most forward patrol point.
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