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Nobonita Barua

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The Next China? India Must First Beat Bangladesh

This is why nobody here takes the indiots seriously.

a smaller nation it helped liberate in 1971 by going to war with Pakistan

Helped liberate in 1971? With their thousands of years of rich history/culture of getting whacked by everyone?

What's with the "smaller" nation? 1.3 billion Indians always want to be good lil w---e to "smaller" nation like Israel.
Isn't that a fact?

As i said before, Indians are always Harley Quinn to whoever the joker in the town.
 

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Ya nice bla bla bla bla bla.

2 facts -
First, We got through hell in 1971. We had to start over, everything was ruined after that bloody war.Indians got their country in a begging bowl in 1949. That's almost 2 decade difference.

Second, Despite all the 8-9% recent growth india saw(considering it has any truth in it) , our per capita in last half decade has been closer to their with a difference of barely 200-300 usd. Not to mention, we pretty much lead in every social indicators including income equality among all major economies here. There is Maldives & Sri Lanka above us i think, they are a bit smaller. But i ain't gonna use that as an excuse. In another decade & half we will surpass Sri Lanka to have second biggest per income after Maldives, probably in lesser time.

Now coming back to this indian comparison, India really never was a primary comparison factor/point for us. All the love letters from here to India is basically from Hasina government. People here are barely bothered about India.
Covid is once in a life time situation. A calculation re-adjustment with 10 usd difference doesn't mean anything. It's the Indians running news articles & you tube videos full day after that IMF report which barely worth anything.

There is no need to get so defensive for your "world's biggest democracy" pal. Or you are worried that india is going to be World's biggest failed democracy? putting another blot in your long list of failed democracy export list?
Tell your buddy no to be worried about us, because we sure aren't bothered about them.
Ya nice bla bla bla bla bla.

2 facts -
First, We got through hell in 1971. We had to start over, everything was ruined after that bloody war.Indians got their country in a begging bowl in 1949. That's almost 2 decade difference.

Second, Despite all the 8-9% recent growth india saw(considering it has any truth in it) , our per capita in last half decade has been closer to their with a difference of barely 200-300 usd. Not to mention, we pretty much lead in every social indicators including income equality among all major economies here. There is Maldives & Sri Lanka above us i think, they are a bit smaller. But i ain't gonna use that as an excuse. In another decade & half we will surpass Sri Lanka to have second biggest per income after Maldives, probably in lesser time.

Now coming back to this indian comparison, India really never was a primary comparison factor/point for us. All the love letters from here to India is basically from Hasina government. People here are barely bothered about India.
Covid is once in a life time situation. A calculation re-adjustment with 10 usd difference doesn't mean anything. It's the Indians running news articles & you tube videos full day after that IMF report which barely worth anything.

There is no need to get so defensive for your "world's biggest democracy" pal. Or you are worried that india is going to be World's biggest failed democracy? putting another blot in your long list of failed democracy export list?
Tell your buddy no to be worried about us, because we sure aren't bothered about them.


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In IMF 2020 estimates of GDP (nominal) per capita, Bangladesh ranked 140. Whereas, India is 141.
Ranking is sorted by high-to-low.
 

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In IMF 2020 estimates of GDP (nominal) per capita, Bangladesh ranked 140. Whereas, India is 141.
Ranking is sorted by high-to-low.
Lol.
TBH, it really doesn't matter. Indians love to whine about everything.
140 to 141 is 1 place difference. We have no interest in comparing ourselves with India. Whatever they do, is least of our concern.
 

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When it comes to other companies sourcing production into a country. It is a two-way deal. India thinks that by declaring "Make In India" and having a young demographic, that companies would come knocking. Well, it doesn't work that way does it?

I don't know enough of Bangladesh to understand 100% why they were far more successful than India at attracting foreign companies to manufacture there. But results speaks for itself. They must be doing many things right that India is doing so wrong. Bangladeshi labor is very much sought after both within and outside of the country.

India has a far larger working-age population than Bangladesh. But India barely attracts foreign sourcing of manufacturing into the country. Despite 'Make In India', there are more red tapes in India's bureaucracy than there ever was. Can't describe this stupidity.
Then I have heard a story by some Indian analyst that was critical of 'Make In India'. The story was about a Japanese company wanting to set up a factory in India. Super cheap land was offered to build that factory. Good, but infrastructure such as electricity, water, and roads are not available. And that company had to invest their own money to build the roads, ground-water well(s), and substation to connect the factory to the electricity grid. After all that is done, the factory experienced rolling black outs from the national electricity grid. Many factory machinery were damaged from the blackouts. So they had enough and pulled out of India.

Apart from just skilled and low cost labor. China and the Asian Tigers would set up infrastructure and industrial zones for foreign companies to set up their factories there. They ensure that these factories not only get low-wage skilled workers, but also electricity, water, and the roads to connect them to the overall supply chain. Infrastructure for these factories such as ports, rails, highways, power plants, water supply facilities, sewer, etc are mostly built by the government. The foreign companies just need to spend on building and setting up the factory, and off course paying their taxes and bills. When the local industries start to emerge later, they can leverage on these same infrastructure and excel. That is why China' BRI is so enthusiastic to build up infrastructure in less fortunate countries. Infrastructure is the foundation for a modern economy.

Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Indonesia are in their own ways getting it right without any loud slogan like "Make In ...". But India continues to consistently get it wrong. And its getting even worse. There is ever more protectionism, erratic laws, a PM that makes big decisions on a whim, and uncontrolled nationalism. India has big dreams to be a Super Powah. But instead of putting its head down and working hard, it makes excuses. Then has the audacity to brag to the world that its already better than China. Well, India can continue dreaming, while Bangladesh overtakes it.
 

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The problem with India is that it's run by Brahmins and Vaishya, not Kshatriya and Shudras. If it were run by a substantial Kshatriya-Shudra alliance, they'd be on the same wavelength as China; the Kshatriyas are the traditional political rulers of India alongside their military castes, and the Shudra caste is their traditional working class. For that, Kshatriya-Shudras, read Confucian Communist in a Chinese mode. The Brahmins are too abstract and theoretical, and Vaishya tend to economic dominance. A Kshatriya-Shudra alliance, in contrast, would be left and progressive based on its constituents (military elites tend to be less conservative than civilian elites because being too conservative gets you killed on the battlefield, Shudras are a potential hotbed of class struggle and worker consciousness).

The big drag on India is the traditional social structure, i.e, the caste system results in massive oppression and human capital wastage. You have Brahmins who pay lip service to anti-Brahmanism (the ideology against the caste system), but in practice they're its beneficiaries and don't want to put in too much effort to bring it down.

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The idea that India would have 4:3 the strength of China is based on a best-case scenario, i.e, it assumes both India and China can successfully modernize and develop. With the caste system in (partial) place, India is not going to be able to successfully modernize and develop unless they do something about it. But let's say they fix it. The 4:3 strength is what the Indians are counting on, but the 4:3 strength isn't sufficient for India to take aggressive action against China vis-a-vis the Arthashastra. So the Indian foreign policy vis-a-vis China is just plain stupid.
In my work, I have known many Brahmins and many are smart people. I think at the end, it should be a meritocracy. People get the job based on performance regardless of caste.
When China was first found in 1949, the communists nationalized all the land and factories. My grandpa was one who was considered a landlord and land taken from him. It was a cruel process for those who own land and ran factories. This did remove the many special interest groups that would later block changes unfavorable to them. Unfortunately for India, when it was first found, the merchant class and big landlords survived intact.
As a country develops, there will always be special interests that opposed to progress. Land owners who do not want to see a road built on their land, factory owners who did not want to move because they are sitting on valuable property. Over the years, India also created weird laws like if a farmer had farmed a piece of land for ten years, then he can take the land from the owner. There is no accountability to the overall good of the public.
To break all this logjam, there need to be a revolutionary type that will forcibly take all these from people who own it and start over again. Otherwise inertia will set in soon and India will slow down due to the "low Income Trap". Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening. The system is already in place the many who are rich also wield a lot of power.
Lee Kwan Yew once said that the potential for India is 60% of China. That is under the best scenario. I just don't see that happening in the next fifty years. If anything, it is more likely that stagnation under a low growth mode. In one to two decades, the large and unskilled population of India will no longer be much of an asset due to advances in automation and AI. Those that are plugged into the Chinese manufacturing eco-system will prosper. With all the antagonism towards China, India is burning the only road it has to prosperity.
 

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Ya nice bla bla bla bla bla.

2 facts -
First, We got through hell in 1971. We had to start over, everything was ruined after that bloody war.Indians got their country in a begging bowl in 1949. That's almost 2 decade difference.

Second, Despite all the 8-9% recent growth india saw(considering it has any truth in it) , our per capita in last half decade has been closer to their with a difference of barely 200-300 usd. Not to mention, we pretty much lead in every social indicators including income equality among all major economies here. There is Maldives & Sri Lanka above us i think, they are a bit smaller. But i ain't gonna use that as an excuse. In another decade & half we will surpass Sri Lanka to have second biggest per income after Maldives, probably in lesser time.

Now coming back to this indian comparison, India really never was a primary comparison factor/point for us. All the love letters from here to India is basically from Hasina government. People here are barely bothered about India.
Covid is once in a life time situation. A calculation re-adjustment with 10 usd difference doesn't mean anything. It's the Indians running news articles & you tube videos full day after that IMF report which barely worth anything.

There is no need to get so defensive for your "world's biggest democracy" pal. Or you are worried that india is going to be World's biggest failed democracy? putting another blot in your long list of failed democracy export list?
Tell your buddy no to be worried about us, because we sure aren't bothered about them.

Bangladesh have picked up the correct track. It turns out you don't really need to rack your brain over economic policy. Just pick light manufacturing if you are a beginner. Shoes and RMG is all that you need to do wonders. It's the perfect choice. Doesn't take massive amount of land. Highly labor intensive, that too semi-skilled. And not very energy hungry (like steel for example). Indian policymakers aimed too high and fell flat on their face.

I am not reading too much into the per capita figure in current year. The nominal figure distorts the real condition. For one, Bangladesh' population is under-counted in these measures. Then there are a number of telltale metrics that give away the real story. Electricity consumption is less than half of India. Car ownership is one fourth! Capital city Dhaka, a city of 18 million, doesn't have an inch of mass rapid transit. I would say Bangladesh is only about half as affluent as India today. But what matters is the underlying strength. Bangladesh will get closer to India by 2030.

India's present far right government is way out of its depth and has completely tanked the economy (even before the pandemic). Their hare-brained economic policies will keep slowing India down.

Helped liberate in 1971? With their thousands of years of rich history/culture of getting whacked by everyone?

Indians have similar delusions about their own independence as well. They too think they 'won' it on their own. This is actually a key factor that can explain the difference between China and India. CPC legitimacy is far stronger because it's built by blood and iron. India-Pak-BD is sophistry.
 
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