Ladakh Flash Point


Sardaukar20

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India could also have benefited from that attitude. Do you see the Russians doing that? They are quite prideful, but they still allow Chinese construction companies into the expansion of the Moscow subway, or use Chinese tools in the Zvezda shipyard, or even acquire Chinese marine diesel engines for their Buyan class corvettes. Now they know in the long term they will want to do it by themselves, if possible, but they don't kneecap themselves by wanting to bootstrap their economy from out of thin air like India does oh so often.

Russia has tried to integrate economically with India and China both. All those trilateral meetings. Eclipsed like that for mere political chicanery. A line in the middle of a desert. Which rock you have in the Himalayas. It gets tiresome. There is no reason to escalate. It is plain dumb. The best path for India is strategic ambiguity it is as simple as that.
Well that is BJP India 2020.

This India snubs Russia's invitation to Kavkaz 2020 in Sept over 'Covid-19' (but we know its actually about China and some rocks in the himalayas). But before this, India had no problem doing joint naval exercises with the US in the Indian Ocean in July. Even despite at that time, the USA is the no.1 Covid-19 afflicted country in the world and have suffered Covid-19 cases among Navy personnel.

This India demanded Russia to hasten S-400 delivery. But then later announce an arms import restriction. Much of it being Russian arms imports.

This India wants to join the Quad. A loose alliance of countries hostile not only to China, but also to Russia. Then has the audacity to consider inviting Russia to join it.

India is trying to spoil the BRI, where Russia, China, and many countries have huge stakes. Over the same Himalayan rocks its trying to claim from Pakistan and China.

This is a country where its top leader says that cloud cover can hide IAF jets from Pakistani Radar.

This India is not lead by mature leaders, but by buffoons whose level of intellect is comparable to school children. The only country that knows how to treat them like kids is the USA. Offer them some candy and cheerlead them. And so easily, they are manipulated like the kids they are by good old Uncle Sam.
 

ansy1968

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When it comes to other companies sourcing production into a country. It is a two-way deal. India thinks that by declaring "Make In India" and having a young demographic, that companies would come knocking. Well, it doesn't work that way does it?

I don't know enough of Bangladesh to understand 100% why they were far more successful than India at attracting foreign companies to manufacture there. But results speaks for itself. They must be doing many things right that India is doing so wrong. Bangladeshi labor is very much sought after both within and outside of the country.

India has a far larger working-age population than Bangladesh. But India barely attracts foreign sourcing of manufacturing into the country. Despite 'Make In India', there are more red tapes in India's bureaucracy than there ever was. Can't describe this stupidity.
Then I have heard a story by some Indian analyst that was critical of 'Make In India'. The story was about a Japanese company wanting to set up a factory in India. Super cheap land was offered to build that factory. Good, but infrastructure such as electricity, water, and roads are not available. And that company had to invest their own money to build the roads, ground-water well(s), and substation to connect the factory to the electricity grid. After all that is done, the factory experienced rolling black outs from the national electricity grid. Many factory machinery were damaged from the blackouts. So they had enough and pulled out of India.

Apart from just skilled and low cost labor. China and the Asian Tigers would set up infrastructure and industrial zones for foreign companies to set up their factories there. They ensure that these factories not only get low-wage skilled workers, but also electricity, water, and the roads to connect them to the overall supply chain. Infrastructure for these factories such as ports, rails, highways, power plants, water supply facilities, sewer, etc are mostly built by the government. The foreign companies just need to spend on building and setting up the factory, and off course paying their taxes and bills. When the local industries start to emerge later, they can leverage on these same infrastructure and excel. That is why China' BRI is so enthusiastic to build up infrastructure in less fortunate countries. Infrastructure is the foundation for a modern economy.

Bangladesh, Vietnam, and Indonesia are in their own ways getting it right without any loud slogan like "Make In ...". But India continues to consistently get it wrong. And its getting even worse. There is ever more protectionism, erratic laws, a PM that makes big decisions on a whim, and uncontrolled nationalism. India has big dreams to be a Super Powah. But instead of putting its head down and working hard, it makes excuses. Then has the audacity to brag to the world that its already better than China. Well, India can continue dreaming, while Bangladesh overtakes it.
Hi Sardaukar20,

China had a national policy and all gov't agency either local or national move as one. So when you invest , they are your friend, an ally and will help your business thrive cause you are helping them in their mission of eradicating poverty and give employment. From what I'm seeing In India, its a way of hustling , a source of corruption, with a incompetent bureaucracy whose members are employed based on politician/party political affiliation thus loyalty is given to them rather than on nation building.
 

vincent

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You would expect them to have at least double-decker carriages. Instead we see videos of people climbing on top of the ceiling of the train. This is simply not understandable.
can’t have tall carriages if the bridges and tunnels along the route aren’t tall enough
 

KenC

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Warning from Global Times on playing the Taiwan card.

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The India military said it has been preparing for a "two-and-a-half" front war, referring to Pakistan, China, and internal insurgencies. Internal insurgencies include secessionist forces and terrorists. If India takes the move to support "Taiwan independence," China has every reason to support separatist forces in Northeast Indian states such as Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Manipur, Assam and Nagaland. China could even support the resurrection of Sikkim.
 

Sardaukar20

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Hi Sardaukar20,

China had a national policy and all gov't agency either local or national move as one. So when you invest , they are your friend, an ally and will help your business thrive cause you are helping them in their mission of eradicating poverty and give employment. From what I'm seeing In India, its a way of hustling , a source of corruption, with a incompetent bureaucracy whose members are employed based on politician/party political affiliation thus loyalty is given to them rather than on nation building.
Yeah I agree. There is a lot of corruption, cronyism and favoritism in India. Its even worse under BJP rule. That kinda explains the extreme trade protectionism in India. Ironically 'Make In India' made it even worse. BJP loves their big Indian corporations like Reliance and OIL. BJP have helped them a lot to India's detriment. Reliance was involved in the Dassault Rafale deal controversy. OIL was involved in the Assam Oil Well blowout disaster after they were given clearance to develop oil wells near to a National Park. Makes me question every military procurement activity that India is doing.

So yes, its evident to see that the BJP govt of India could not care less about nation building or for the well-being of the Indian people. They care only for themselves and their cronies. But what is strange is that the worse BJP performs, the higher their approval rating by the Indian populace. I kinda feel for those minority Indians who genuinely wanted to build their nation in peace and cooperation.
 

Sardaukar20

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Warning from Global Times on playing the Taiwan card.

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Its good that the CCP recognizes where the Indian secession hot spots are. Nevertheless I still consider this article as more of a rant than a warning to India. This angry article is based on stuff done by the India media:

Several Indian media outlets ran advertisements beforehand to celebrate the island's "national" day that falls on October 10. India Today TV broadcast an interview with Taiwan's "Foreign Minister" Joseph Wu on Friday, which served as a platform for him to spread Taiwan secessionist voices.
But shouldn't Tibet already be the red line? We have BJP officials openly promoting Free Tibet with the politically charged SFF soldier funeral some months back. This discussion of helping the secessionists in India should have started as soon as the Indian media celebrated that phony funeral. We already know how wicked the Indian media is. They have even supported the HK protests last year. So why them supporting Taiwanese Independence is something so unexpected as to rant about?
 

KenC

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The 'rant' is still a clearer rebuke than those official and solemn remarks used by the Chinese Foreign Ministry.
I think in the past, despite their support for Tibetan independence elements, India was not aligned with US. But now things different given that India is part of Quad alliance against China. Covet supports through bases in Northern Burma are more likely.
 

emblem21

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Its good that the CCP recognizes where the Indian secession hot spots are. Nevertheless I still consider this article as more of a rant than a warning to India. This angry article is based on stuff done by the India media:



But shouldn't Tibet already be the red line? We have BJP officials openly promoting Free Tibet with the politically charged SFF soldier funeral some months back. This discussion of helping the secessionists in India should have started as soon as the Indian media celebrated that phony funeral. We already know how wicked the Indian media is. They have even supported the HK protests last year. So why them supporting Taiwanese Independence is something so unexpected as to rant about?
I suspect China is simply bidding their time while the issues in India is tearing that nation apart. Keep in mind that India is similar to the USA in that they are in a dangerous situation economically, but neither of the two nations have handled the virus at all and they have lost so many jobs that it would be near impossible to get them back while there leadership is too busy throwing blame everywhere. Also one more thing to note is that the longer either nations muck around, the more likely they will cripple itself in the coming months. It is almost a given certainty that the USA isn’t going to make it out of the election unscathed and it is very likely that India, should they continue as they are without reform and a change in attitude in regards to the poor, that nations future is going to look pretty dismal. Also to note is that both nations are resorting to money printing to stay afloat. This isn’t going to end well as you will all see soon
 

AndrewS

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In my work, I have known many Brahmins and many are smart people. I think at the end, it should be a meritocracy. People get the job based on performance regardless of caste.
When China was first found in 1949, the communists nationalized all the land and factories. My grandpa was one who was considered a landlord and land taken from him. It was a cruel process for those who own land and ran factories. This did remove the many special interest groups that would later block changes unfavorable to them. Unfortunately for India, when it was first found, the merchant class and big landlords survived intact.
As a country develops, there will always be special interests that opposed to progress. Land owners who do not want to see a road built on their land, factory owners who did not want to move because they are sitting on valuable property. Over the years, India also created weird laws like if a farmer had farmed a piece of land for ten years, then he can take the land from the owner. There is no accountability to the overall good of the public.
To break all this logjam, there need to be a revolutionary type that will forcibly take all these from people who own it and start over again. Otherwise inertia will set in soon and India will slow down due to the "low Income Trap". Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening. The system is already in place the many who are rich also wield a lot of power.
Lee Kwan Yew once said that the potential for India is 60% of China. That is under the best scenario. I just don't see that happening in the next fifty years. If anything, it is more likely that stagnation under a low growth mode. In one to two decades, the large and unskilled population of India will no longer be much of an asset due to advances in automation and AI. Those that are plugged into the Chinese manufacturing eco-system will prosper. With all the antagonism towards China, India is burning the only road it has to prosperity.
And again, it comes back to the Hindu caste system.

You have the 3000 castes inside the Hindu system.

Plus 200 million Untouchables and another 200 million Muslims. These 2 groups make up one-third of the population.
 

AndrewS

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I suspect China is simply bidding their time while the issues in India is tearing that nation apart. Keep in mind that India is similar to the USA in that they are in a dangerous situation economically, but neither of the two nations have handled the virus at all and they have lost so many jobs that it would be near impossible to get them back while there leadership is too busy throwing blame everywhere. Also one more thing to note is that the longer either nations muck around, the more likely they will cripple itself in the coming months. It is almost a given certainty that the USA isn’t going to make it out of the election unscathed and it is very likely that India, should they continue as they are without reform and a change in attitude in regards to the poor, that nations future is going to look pretty dismal. Also to note is that both nations are resorting to money printing to stay afloat. This isn’t going to end well as you will all see soon
I think you're exaggerating the situation.

Yes, India and the USA have serious issues.
But COVID is not actually that deadly, so they'll muddle through.
 

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