Ladakh Flash Point


siegecrossbow

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4.印軍涉渡過程隊形紊亂,各自手持盾牌棍棒行動,稱其為散兵遊勇實不為過。因為地面部隊徒手涉渡,必須在下游檢派深知水性者擔任安全戒護,以便在有人失足遭致溪流沖走時得以營救。涉渡人員應相互編組支持,必要時運用手中棍棒相互聯結支援,或是探索前進落足點。部隊徒步涉渡時,通常會先派出深黯水性者擔任試渡前哨,以便尋找最佳涉渡路線,並在率先到達彼岸後,擔任前哨警戒。觀察印軍士兵在涉渡過程中,以棍棒擊水生波,此等無謂嘻鬧之舉,就知印軍士兵基本涉渡程序都未經訓練,在與敵接觸戰況不利後,遁逃時溺斃於溪流,完全不令人意外。

Another passage from the Taiwanese military analyst. Indians basically waded into the stream without investigating the depth/current flow. The combat rods they used should be used as a crutch/measuring stick, not some twirling baton for splashing water.

I take it that the Taiwanese military aren’t fans of the Star Wars kid either.

 

ougoah

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When were Indians ever at f8? We ahve already debated about patrols, but it is clear that India had never built any permanent structure past FInger 3. THe only country that did was China. How can India retreat from land it never occupied? That is not how retreating works.

India claimed up to F8. This is a fact. During the past, IA soldiers patrolled up to F8.

If India never did any of this, why wouldn't India accept China's 1959 deal in the past? Which gives India at least up to F4 and more if they negotiated. India never accepted because it wanted up to F8. Your own claims mention everything up to F8.

It never occupied it like PLA did last year because it was disputed. China wouldn't allow India occupy it during dispute unless it accepted some deal to settle it for good.
 

ougoah

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2. As for why media is allowed to "lie," that is how freedom of speech works. That is also why idiots like Ajai Shukla make up bs like 1000lm of land lost(which is hilariously quoted here) even though satellite imagery clearly disproves that.

LOL so PLA occupying F8 to F4 which is Indian claim isn't India then losing their claim which is regarded by Shukla et al as india land?? Now it's another form of India losing their claim in the form of not having access to F3 and beyond.
 

twineedle

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India claimed up to F8. This is a fact. During the past, IA soldiers patrolled up to F8.

If India never did any of this, why wouldn't India accept China's 1959 deal in the past? Which gives India at least up to F4 and more if they negotiated. India never accepted because it wanted up to F8. Your own claims mention everything up to F8.

It never occupied it like PLA did last year because it was disputed. China wouldn't allow India occupy it during dispute unless it accepted some deal to settle it for good.
By now you should know that claims are different than control. Both India and Pakistan claim each other's Kashmir, India claims Aksai Chin, and China claims Arunachal Pradesh. The reason why India never patrolled or occupied past finger 4 is becasue CHina effectively controlled it after 1962, creating the de facto lac that both sides agreed to observe in 1993. BTW, India still claims up to finger 8. You still have not provided evidence of India trying to violate the 1993 agreement.
 

siegecrossbow

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This Taiwanese guy is just brutal... Not even Chinese military fans on CJDBY or Weibo mock Indian Army like this. Taking it way too far...
 

ougoah

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By now you should know that claims are different than control. Both India and Pakistan claim each other's Kashmir, India claims Aksai Chin, and China claims Arunachal Pradesh. The reason why India never patrolled or occupied past finger 4 is becasue CHina effectively controlled it after 1962, creating the de facto lac that both sides agreed to observe in 1993. BTW, India still claims up to finger 8. You still have not provided evidence of India trying to violate the 1993 agreement.

Sure but China controlled land that was disputed between the two - F8 to F4 for a year while IA was unable to reverse this control. Control is the next after claim. By controlling India's claims at Galwan to Pangong, China was able to bargain for the deals it's been offering India with more power and better position. India agreed to whatever deal was eventually offered and amended to get disengagement.

AP China is claiming but has no control over. China hasn't yet tried to control it any more than India has tried to control Aksai China but both are claimed by sides while being controlled and under the sovereignty of the other. These are a bit more different that what has happened at Ladakh. Since AP and AC have not become inflamed in recent years to the same degree. With respect to these parts, China has wanted to do swaps and offered such in the past but again India has refused. India has wanted to keep ALL of AP disputed including some parts that China is currently controlling while also taking AC away from China and keeping Kailash, Galwan, Depsang, Pangong (in the entirety of India's claims).

This is the first time India has agreed to a deal. If anything it indicates the Chinese leaders from the 1960s were right. Make offers to swap and/or compromise (yes okay China's claims are unreasonably deep into India to make their offers more palatable) but refuse to give in to India's claims and simply guard and shelve the disputes until the future where one side is clearly dominant. This has proven to have worked after 60 years of development.
 

ougoah

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Based, sane, sensible Indians in comments.

BJP Jai Hind troll farm workers still going to persist with their narratives until the powers that facilitate them are no more.

As much as some may feel that a BJP (or equally ideologically dominated) group leading India is doing good for India's competitors and adversaries, it really is a double edged sword and there is simply no cooperation or coexistence with the level of animosity between India China since BJP. As much as Jai Hind trolls want to refute with empty statements simply saying the opposite.
 

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