Ladakh Flash Point


Sardaukar20

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I think the Chinese government should invest in studying South Asian culture, like a genuine effort like they have for the U.S. and Japan. There appears to be a vast cultural gulf between China and India stemming from the differences in Confucian and Hindu thinking. Malaysian or Singaporean Chinese can offer lessons since they are knowledgeable about both. China already sends most of their officials to learn about governance in Singapore.

But I think that for now the PLA leadership, at least, have learned their lesson after several confrontations and countless hours of fruitless disengagement talks. I’ve heard a pretty reliable rumor that the PLA negotiator didn’t twist words with their Indian counterparts in the tenth disengagement talks and stated something to the effect that if any bloodshed occurs during the current disengagement, China will launch a military offense that will guarantee 3-5 years of peace. How the Indians interpret it will be up to them, really.
Agreed. The Chinese government can learn about Indian culture anytime, it is widely available knowledge. Unfortunately to learn about the Indian mind, its a whole different matter. There no classes or books for that. All that knowledge to understand the Indian mind by the Chinese communities in Singapore and Malaysia comes from experience, not courses. The governments and institutions in Singapore and Malaysia cannot officially teach China on how to truly understand the Indian mind, because that would be seen as undermining their own racial harmony. So the Chinese government would have to learn this covertly, on the street level.

That being said, the ethnic Indian communities in Malaysia and Singapore, no matter how negative some of their traits, they could never match the Indians. We cannot equate the overseas Indian communities with actual Indians. Because they have learnt to live as a minority community for generations. And they have access to much better education than the average Indians in India. Take Kishore Mabubani for example, he is nothing like the Indians we typically laugh at. This is a model statesman, who was able to serve as the President of the UN Security Council in 2001-2002. He considers himself Singaporean, not Indian. There are practically no Jai Hinds or Bhakts in Malaysia and Singapore. Their kind are too alien to thrive in those societies. Finding them in these countries would be the same as trying to find FLG communities there.

Therefore, learning about the Indian mind in Malaysian and Singapore can only get us to around level 5 at most. It would give a good foundation. But Indians are actually beyond level 10. So, if the Chinese government is looking for a crash-course. I would think that the best consultants would have to come from South Asia. Learning from Pakistan would be a good start. Pakistan had much experience being on the receiving end of Indian violence and propaganda.
 

siegecrossbow

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Agreed. The Chinese government can learn about Indian culture anytime, it is widely available knowledge. Unfortunately to learn about the Indian mind, its a whole different matter. There no classes or books for that. All that knowledge to understand the Indian mind by the Chinese communities in Singapore and Malaysia comes from experience, not courses. The governments and institutions in Singapore and Malaysia cannot officially teach China on how to truly understand the Indian mind, because that would be seen as undermining their own racial harmony. So the Chinese government would have to learn this covertly, on the street level.

That being said, the ethnic Indian communities in Malaysia and Singapore, no matter how negative some of their traits, they could never match the Indians. We cannot equate the overseas Indian communities with actual Indians. Because they have learnt to live as a minority community for generations. And they have access to much better education than the average Indians in India. Take Kishore Mabubani for example, he is nothing like the Indians we typically laugh at. This is a model statesman, who was able to serve as the President of the UN Security Council in 2001-2002. He considers himself Singaporean, not Indian. There are practically no Jai Hinds or Bhakts in Malaysia and Singapore. Their kind are too alien to thrive in those societies. Finding them in these countries would be the same as trying to find FLG communities there.

Therefore, learning about the Indian mind in Malaysian and Singapore can only get us to around level 5 at most. It would give a good foundation. But Indians are actually beyond level 10. So, if the Chinese government is looking for a crash-course. I would think that the best consultants would have to come from South Asia. Learning from Pakistan would be a good start. Pakistan had much experience being on the receiving end of Indian violence and propaganda.

This is why the racial superiority theory is bunk. What determines a nation is not race, but culture. Even the ancient Chinese recognized that barbarians who integrated with China are members of the Huaxia.
 

tresriogrande

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Chinese leadership don't understand Indian but People in Singapore and Malaysia knows the Indian too well having live and work together for the past 100 years

I would think it unwise for China to let India get away so easily after what they done. Yes China play the strategic game but from a tactical point of view, the Indian will come back once they perceive weakness in opponents.

And yes, i understand China is eager to court India and work together but it a wishful thinking on China's part for the past few decades . Indian think of geopolitics as a zero sum game and can never think of working forward to a win-win outcome. That their paranoid nature and mentality and it not China's job to educate the Indian.

Hence i say forget it. Forcus your attention on Pakistan and SL instead

As for now disengagement may bring short term peace to the border but i am pretty sure the indian will be back again. India needs more than another 62 thrashing. China needs to ensure india get 2 bullets on their heads the next time. (see the link below)

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China didn't get to where she is by being stupid. My take is that disengagement area is left as kill zone. Let's wait and see what happens next time indians show up there.
 

localizer

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Agreed. The Chinese government can learn about Indian culture anytime, it is widely available knowledge. Unfortunately to learn about the Indian mind, its a whole different matter. There no classes or books for that. All that knowledge to understand the Indian mind by the Chinese communities in Singapore and Malaysia comes from experience, not courses. The governments and institutions in Singapore and Malaysia cannot officially teach China on how to truly understand the Indian mind, because that would be seen as undermining their own racial harmony. So the Chinese government would have to learn this covertly, on the street level.

That being said, the ethnic Indian communities in Malaysia and Singapore, no matter how negative some of their traits, they could never match the Indians. We cannot equate the overseas Indian communities with actual Indians. Because they have learnt to live as a minority community for generations. And they have access to much better education than the average Indians in India. Take Kishore Mabubani for example, he is nothing like the Indians we typically laugh at. This is a model statesman, who was able to serve as the President of the UN Security Council in 2001-2002. He considers himself Singaporean, not Indian. There are practically no Jai Hinds or Bhakts in Malaysia and Singapore. Their kind are too alien to thrive in those societies. Finding them in these countries would be the same as trying to find FLG communities there.

Therefore, learning about the Indian mind in Malaysian and Singapore can only get us to around level 5 at most. It would give a good foundation. But Indians are actually beyond level 10. So, if the Chinese government is looking for a crash-course. I would think that the best consultants would have to come from South Asia. Learning from Pakistan would be a good start. Pakistan had much experience being on the receiving end of Indian violence and propaganda.


China should consult with Pakistan on future India matters.

Indian consultants rip you off with non answers lol
 

Oldschool

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According Chinese media, there's a bounty on the head of his Asian looking Indian soldier who was the first lunged at Chinese commander.with a knife. Turns out this guy is 24 yrs old and from Manipur, who betrayed his home land as he was captive in the hands of indian. He was a local communist liberation army guerilla fighter of resistance movement against India. Now he serving for India.

PLA will target him if they ever see him again.
 

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quantumlight

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According Chinese media, there's a bounty on the head of his Asian looking Indian soldier who was the first lunged at Chinese commander.with a knife. Turns out this guy is 24 yrs old and from Manipur, who betrayed his home land as he was captive in the hands of indian. He was a local communist liberation army guerilla fighter of resistance movement against India. Now he serving for India.

PLA will target him if they ever see him again.
No worse than this traitor that yelled in Mandarian to "dont shoot, Im a Chinese person"

No worse a traitor than one that betray his own DNA

 

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