Ladakh Flash Point


twineedle

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Has Indian MoD issued any new statements on the status of gogra hot springs depsang?
It took months for the current disengagement deal to be finalized. Considering the amount of troops and military hardware in Gogra and hotsprings is significantly less than Pangong, it should be done eventually.

In gogra and hot springs, both sides are very close to each other but on opposite sides of the lac.
 

twineedle

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The general pattern of previous Indian Army clash with the PLA in the last 20+ years have been pushfests and some brawls. There were no recorded fatalities, and all had been resolved relatively peacefully through negotiations.

The PLA could not have predicted Operation Snow Leopard that easily. Imagine if an agent were to give a tip off that the Indian Army is planning to commit murder during a negotiation. To the PLA high command, that would have been unthinkable at that time. Why murder a PLA negotiation party and risk starting a war with a superpower? That would be like the Syrian Army suddenly ambushing and killing US soldiers without provocation. It is militarily illogical. But is it still feasible? Yes of course, if they are really that stupid.

Perhaps the one mistake that we can blame the PLA is underestimating the stupidity of the Indian Army. But its still not an unforgivable mistake. I don't think that many outside of South Asia could truly comprehend Indian stupidity.

Nevertheless, after recovering from the initial shock. The PLA did come back in force and thought the IA a lesson that would scar them for decades to come. India chickened out of a war after that, and they had yet to repeat such stupidity. So lesson learnt for now.
No reason for wars when you can achieve your objectives in other ways. And the disengagement deal achieved all of India's strategic goals as a result of China's withdrawal from Pangong.
 

twineedle

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Current senior BJP leader and Indian parliamentarian & former cabinet minister tweets on Depsang status. Proves my point all along that NO Change happened in Depsang after Modi came to power in 2014 including in the recent standoff that started in April 2020. Whatever happened in Depsang occured between 1998-2013, before Modi became PM and has no nothing to do with current standoff except that both sides have arrrayed mechanized formations in their depths zones for offensive ops in case of war.

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This has literally been discussed to death. The Y junction is on the Chinese side of the de facto lac agreed in 1993. However, like in Pangong, both sides have overlapping claims. Both India and China claim about 20 km past the lac. So while PLA blocks Indian patrols past the Y junction, Indian army blocks PLA patrols past burtse. China does have a tactical advantage due to superior infrastructure and favorable terrain on its side, but that is simply a tactical issue that in no way threatens DSDBO. Some members ehre are bringing up Depsang to cope with the fact PLA retreated from Pangong, and that China failed to enforce its new claims in Galwan.
 

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This has literally been discussed to death. The Y junction is on the Chinese side of the de facto lac agreed in 1993. However, like in Pangong, both sides have overlapping claims. Both India and China claim about 20 km past the lac. So while PLA blocks Indian patrols past the Y junction, Indian army blocks PLA patrols past burtse. China does have a tactical advantage due to superior infrastructure and favorable terrain on its side, but that is simply a tactical issue that in no way threatens DSDBO. Some members ehre are bringing up Depsang to cope with the fact PLA retreated from Pangong, and that China failed to enforce its new claims in Galwan.
I think the PLA would be more than happy if the Indian army saw it that way too ;)
 
No reason for wars when you can achieve your objectives in other ways. And the disengagement deal achieved all of India's strategic goals as a result of China's withdrawal from Pangong.
India always achieves its strategic goals because those goals are written upon the most wildly positive spin of whatever story the Indian government can get away with telling its citizens in lieu of the truth, which, they themselves probably no longer know by the time the news gets passed up to the higher ranks.

If India somehow was allowed to stroll unhindered into Tibet, then the strategic goal was to take Tibet from China. If a MiG-21 was shot down, then the strategic goal was to test your opponent with a disposable tin can (with the pilot in it). If India suffered military humiliation losing soldiers in a cowardly ambush and an unverified amount of land, then the strategic goal was to obfuscate the land lost and say you kept the status quo. If India was beaten to within a stone's throw from New Delhi then the strategic goal was just to uphold the capital. If New Delhi was captured, the the strategic goal was to concentrate forces and reestablish a capital reborn in western India LOL

Economically, according to your friend, when India failed to attract significant foreign manufacturing investment, it achieved its strategic goal of resisting modern colonialization in making other's goods for them.
 
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Nobonita Barua

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No reason for wars when you can achieve your objectives in other ways. And the disengagement deal achieved all of India's strategic goals as a result of China's withdrawal from Pangong.
I know lying in existential part of indian "culture", but you have to understand, there is massive difference in competency between hitler saying "if you repeat a lie hundred times, people will believe it" & cowdung eating apes repeating lies & trying to self-convince themselves.
Indian apes tried to take advantage of China being busy in east giving honky ponky lectures in their parliament
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Then tried to change status quo in galwan , got stepped over
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Didn't stop running until they reached home.
Tried to make some bolly movie with lying but got totally exposed.

Since then they are under "severe stress" & shaking after the beating of their life time
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India begged China to disengage from galwan. Now cow mama & cow-ards jawans are having family time together. Status quo restored.
Btw you can thank China later for the family time you got courtesy of PLA. You are welcome.
 

twineedle

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India always achieves its strategic goals because those goals are written upon the most wildly positive spin of whatever story the Indian government can get away with telling its citizens in lieu of the truth, which, they themselves probably no longer know by the time the news gets passed up to the higher ranks.

If India somehow was allowed to stroll unhindered into Tibet, then the strategic goal was to take Tibet from China. If a MiG-21 was shot down, then the strategic goal was to test your opponent with a disposable tin can (with the pilot in it). If India suffered military humiliation losing soldiers in a cowardly ambush and an unverified amount of land, then the strategic goal was to obfuscate the land lost and say you kept the status quo. If India was beaten to within a stone's throw from New Delhi then the strategic goal was just to uphold the capital. If New Delhi was captured, the the strategic goal was to concentrate forces and reestablish a capital reborn in western India LOL

Economically, according to your friend, when India failed to attract significant foreign manufacturing investment, it achieved its strategic goal of resisting modern colonialization in making other's goods for them.
Say what you want to make yourself feel better. The facts say otherwise.
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India's strategic goals were simple:

Keep Chinese patrols past the Johnson line(finger 8)
Prevent China from millitarizing/occupying the buffer zone/disputed area
Prevent China from violating the de facto lac of 1993(finger 4, Galwan river bend, etc.)
Secure its infrastructure projects, which China objected to(DSDBO, Galwan/Shyok bridges, etc.)

All were met.
 
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I know lying in existential part of indian "culture", but you have to understand, there is massive difference in competency between hitler saying "if you repeat a lie hundred times, people will believe it" & cowdung eating apes repeating lies & trying to self-convince themselves.
Indian apes tried to take advantage of China being busy in east giving honky ponky lectures in their parliament
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Then tried to change status quo in galwan , got stepped over
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Didn't stop running until they reached home.
Tried to make some bolly movie with lying but got totally exposed.

Since then they are under "severe stress" & shaking after the beating of their life time
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India begged China to disengage from galwan. Now cow mama & cow-ards jawans are having family time together. Status quo restored.
Btw you can thank China later for the family time you got courtesy of PLA. You are welcome.

Hitler didn't say that, Goebbels did.
 

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