Ladakh Flash Point

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Bright Sword

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Respect your valued opinion. Before the moderators pull my ear and hauls me back to the topic, you would have the last word.
Meanwhile my last two cents.
This is certainly not an observation, but something that you would prefer and advocate for. The problem is, reality does NOT do our biddings. We all want religion to stay out of politics.
Will refer you to the only nation in the Indian subcontinent that has a secular implemented constitution.
Bangladesh, has after a long struggle with majoritarian religious fundamentalism finally crushed the menace in good measure. Bangladesh continues a laser like focus on any disruptive elements that would thwart its quest for internal stability. Bangladesh does not practice atheism ( though I wish they did) but secularism which is the next best thing. With religion out of the picture the result has been a focus on the economy and social development. Which is why Bangladesh has overtaken its former constituent nation as well as its giant neighbor on all social and economic indices.
Its former constituent is struggling to get out of the vice like grip of religious fundamentalism and terror which has cost it tens of thousands of lives and rendered it bankrupt. Bangladesh's neighbor once a chest thumping self proclaimed champion of "secularism" and tolerance is now going down the path of its western neighbor into chaos and economic decline.
The positive aspects of removing religion from politics are obvious in a scenario of three nations in the same region that have emerged from British colonialism just 73 years back.

This is very subjective. Pahlavi Dynasty is nothing but a flashy vase (花瓶): nice to look at, plenty to boast about to a western liberal audience, but rotten and weak to the core. Pahlavi Iran is as toothless as Saudi Arabia...
Well, if your atheist liberal values renders every country into a toothless sheep, waiting to have their wool (or even life) harvested by the Anglo-American grand master, than it's nothing but garbage.
I agree with you that the monarchy that ruled Iran was nothing but a Western puppet, with a brutal regime, just like every other monarchy in the Middle East abd the Muslim world in general. I was referring to the social development. The society, gender equality, and education in the Shah's Iran was a lot different from Saudi Arabia and in my view progressive. The Shah was a Western puppet but he was secular and Iran retained most of its Jewish population even after the creation of Israel.
How a resurgence of religion corrupts even societies that have had long spells of communism can be seen in the case of Ukraine where a clear Orthodox vs Catholic divide has arisen, with armed conflict in the Donbass.
I rest my case. An atheist environment is the best. A secular environment if implemented in full is an acceptable compromise.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Respect your valued opinion. Before the moderators pull my ear and hauls me back to the topic, you would have the last word.
Meanwhile my last two cents.

Will refer you to the only nation in the Indian subcontinent that has a secular implemented constitution.
Bangladesh, has after a long struggle with majoritarian religious fundamentalism finally crushed the menace in good measure. Bangladesh continues a laser like focus on any disruptive elements that would thwart its quest for internal stability. Bangladesh does not practice atheism ( though I wish they did) but secularism which is the next best thing. With religion out of the picture the result has been a focus on the economy and social development. Which is why Bangladesh has overtaken its former constituent nation as well as its giant neighbor on all social and economic indices.
Its former constituent is struggling to get out of the vice like grip of religious fundamentalism and terror which has cost it tens of thousands of lives and rendered it bankrupt. Bangladesh's neighbor once a chest thumping self proclaimed champion of "secularism" and tolerance is now going down the path of its western neighbor into chaos and economic decline.
The positive aspects of removing religion from politics are obvious in a scenario of three nations in the same region that have emerged from British colonialism just 73 years back.


I agree with you that the monarchy that ruled Iran was nothing but a Western puppet, with a brutal regime, just like every other monarchy in the Middle East abd the Muslim world in general. I was referring to the social development. The society, gender equality, and education in the Shah's Iran was a lot different from Saudi Arabia and in my view progressive. The Shah was a Western puppet but he was secular and Iran retained most of its Jewish population even after the creation of Israel.
How a resurgence of religion corrupts even societies that have had long spells of communism can be seen in the case of Ukraine where a clear Orthodox vs Catholic divide has arisen, with armed conflict in the Donbass.
I rest my case. An atheist environment is the best. A secular environment if implemented in full is an acceptable compromise.

I have nothing against your point. I just think that nobody should underestimate the power of religion, although even I myself do NOT believe that religion is a power of good. Faith is a powerful force that no one should ignore or underestimate. Even atheistic movement like communism and socialism should understand and respect the power of faith. In fact, even communist and socialist movements and revolutions often rely on faith more than it relies on reason and rationality.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Why is this thread can't focus on topic? Nothing happening in Ladakh? Did anyone known what happened to the released Chinese soldier? Welcomed home hero or disciplined?

He was being a good soldier and public servant, helping out local herdsman. Although it was a little disappointing that the Indians didn't take the bait and gave the PLA an excuse to attack.
 

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Seems like withdrawal by both sides in the works..

Fun Fact: India to quietly withdraw first, but gets to announce China is withdrawing too (for face-saving) and PLA will play along. LMOL!!


Well. If true, then this Ladakh dispute is fortunately going to draw down in peace for the time being. Good for world peace. Boring for those of us who want to see some fireworks and some ass kicking.
 

siegecrossbow

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Seems like withdrawal by both sides in the works..

Fun Fact: India to quietly withdraw first, but gets to announce China is withdrawing too (for face-saving) and PLA will play along. LMOL!!



They couldn't handle the strain of supplying all the troops up there. If they want to claim China withdrew China should play along but keep the military close in Tibet and Xinjiang. Such a waste of resource stationing so many troops on the frontlines.
 
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