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Bright Sword

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If that's what they've to resort themselves to, it only adds confidence for China.

A hint: but a decade or two ago China also went through a similar phase.
Did China really have a comparable phase? Maybe very long ago. For the last seven decades China has long since abandoned superstition and obscurantism.

Is the world slipping away from an age of reason into medieval barbarism? This has happened before when the age of reason in Greece vanished before a dark era lasting 600 years. The Roman empire was first weakened by the Huns and then fell to the Visigoths. There were waves of barbarian attacks and religious wars. Pechenags, Kipchaks, Mongols. The Crusades.,
Russia is the latest country to be seen to slip into obscurantism The eclipse of reason in a country that once courageously unshackled itself from centuries of rule by a church backed monarchy is frightening.This unshackling is described in detail in the book "How the steel was Tempered " by Nikolai Ostrovsky.,
It is not merely a symbolic replacement of the Red Star by the Double Headed Eagle or painting yellow and brown stripes ( the ribbon of St. George) on the Armata tanks which is ominous.
When the head of a state kneels before the Grand Patriarch and kisses his hand, it is a lamentable reversal of the decades of sacrifices by rationalists to build a nation with a scientific temperament. A proud nation that emerged from the ashes of a world war and sent the first man into space is now reversing into a theocracy.
The reason there was no nuclear
annihilation in the Cold War was because the communists knew that there was no existence other than what was present, and there was no paradise or hereafter. The Soviet Union and their allies wanted to live and see their grandchildren. Their weapons were a deterrent only.
The Soviet Union and the era of reason it fostered has gone forever.
Russia has inherited crumbling remnants of the Soviet Union's once mighty arsenal and industrial military complex.Russia is isolated and in the crosshairs of an intact NATO that wants a break up of the Federation to grab the vast natural resources of Siberia. Economically and militarily weak, a frightened Russia is depending on religion and the Almighty to save it from the onslaught.

In this age of darkness China has emerged as an economic and military force for reason that the Soviet Union could never achieve. In the coming era China remains the only hope against the revival of the darkest forces that would plunge the world into a nuclear holocaust.
 
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Sardaukar20

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Did China really have a comparable phase? Maybe very long ago. For the last seven decades China has long since abandoned superstition and obscurantism.

Is the world slipping away from an age of reason into medieval barbarism? This has happened before when the age of reason in Greece vanished before a dark era lasting 600 years. The Roman empire was first weakened by the Huns and then fell to the Visigoths. There were waves of barbarian attacks and religious wars. Pechenags, Kipchaks, Mongols. The Crusades.,
Russia is the latest country to be seen to slip into obscurantism The eclipse of reason in a country that once courageously unshackled itself from centuries of rule by a church backed monarchy is frightening.This unshackling is described in detail in the book "How the steel was Tempered " by Nikolai Ostrovsky.,
It is not merely a symbolic replacement of the Red Star by the Double Headed Eagle or painting yellow and brown stripes ( the ribbon of St. George) on the Armata tanks which is ominous.
When the head of a state kneels before the Grand Patriarch and kisses his hand, it is a lamentable reversal of the decades of sacrifices by rationalists to build a nation with a scientific temperament. A proud nation that emerged from the ashes of a world war and sent the first man into space is now reversing into a theocracy.
The reason there was no nuclear
annihilation in the Cold War was because the communists knew that there was no existence other than what was present, and there was no paradise or hereafter. The Soviet Union and their allies wanted to live and see their grandchildren. Their weapons were a deterrent only.
The Soviet Union and the era of reason it fostered has gone forever.
Russia has inherited crumbling remnants of the Soviet Union's once mighty arsenal and industrial military complex.Russia is isolated and in the crosshairs of an intact NATO that wants a break up of the Federation to grab the vast natural resources of Siberia. Economically and militarily weak, a frightened Russia is depending on religion and the Almighty to save it from the onslaught.

In this age of darkness China has emerged as an economic and military force for reason that the Soviet Union could never achieve. In the coming era China remains the only hope against the revival of the darkest forces that would plunge the world into a nuclear holocaust.
Right. In 2020, we see a return to superstition, religious madness, and obscurantism.

Flat-earthers getting undeserved recognition. Christian fanatics who hate China getting their voices heard by mainstream media. Muslim fundamentalism getting tolerated, even encouraged by Western governments. Hindutva going crazy in India. Its a combination of social media and media recognition that's creating this mess.

China is one of the few countries who does not let religous zealots, fools, and racists take power. That is why China is so hated today. Its politically correct to hate on China today. Whether you're a Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Tibetan Buddhist, or Falun Gong Cultist, China is the fashionable enemy #1.

Without China to prove the success of its form of science and reason based governance. The world would be in an even darker place than it already is.
 

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China is one of the few countries who does not let religous zealots, fools, ...That is why China is so hated today. Its politically correct to hate on China today... China is the fashionable enemy #1.
Without China to prove the success of its form of science and reason based governance. The world would be in an even darker place than it already is.

China does have friends, though not organized as a nation or political group. The old communists defeated and depressed after the fall of the Soviet Union do look up to China, but in a different way. They hope China succeeds where the Soviet Union failed.
China is far less "internationalist" than the Soviet Union giving priority to bettering the lives of its own citizens. This may be a better way to survive the onslaught of insanity than what the Soviet Union did by establishing thousands of Houses of Soviet People's Culture and People's Book Houses in the world spending hundreds of billions of dollars. These had little impact in promoting reason in the world and the slogan "Religion is the opiate of the people" fell on deaf ears.
For it's survival China will work with the religious extremists and medievalists where necessary Example: China's one time relationship with Israel, a state founded on the basis of the " only people chosen by God" or more recently the visit of a delegation of the Afghan Taliban to Beijing.
It is a pragmatic approach ; far more than the idealistic Soviet Union's communists could ever imagine.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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China does have friends, though not organized as a nation or political group. The old communists defeated and depressed after the fall of the Soviet Union do look up to China, but in a different way. They hope China succeeds where the Soviet Union failed.
China is far less "internationalist" than the Soviet Union giving priority to bettering the lives of its own citizens. This may be a better way to survive the onslaught of insanity than what the Soviet Union did by establishing thousands of Houses of Soviet People's Culture and People's Book Houses in the world spending hundreds of billions of dollars. These had little impact in promoting reason in the world and the slogan "Religion is the opiate of the people" fell on deaf ears.
For it's survival China will work with the religious extremists and medievalists where necessary Example: China's one time relationship with Israel, a state founded on the basis of the " only people chosen by God" or more recently the visit of a delegation of the Afghan Taliban to Beijing.
It is a pragmatic approach ; far more than the idealistic Soviet Union's communists could ever imagine.

First of all, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF RELIGION.

Secondly, "Religion is the opiate of the people" is widely misused. It was originally referring to the traditional religion as nothing but a pacifier that relinquishes revolutionary passion, making people too soft and unwilling to rise up and overthrow the existing structure of oppression via bloody revolution. In this case, Religion has already has its table turned.

Today's revived religious zealotry world-wide is NOT at all anti-revolution, in fact, today's religions is more like a call to revolution. The leaders uses it to rouse up revolutionary passion to overthrown the secularist and rational establishment across the world. Today's religion inspires people to rise up and act upon a certain ideology/cause. This is very different from what religion was like, a century ago when the communists/socialists was ushering a societal revolution.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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China does have friends, though not organized as a nation or political group. The old communists defeated and depressed after the fall of the Soviet Union do look up to China, but in a different way. They hope China succeeds where the Soviet Union failed.
China is far less "internationalist" than the Soviet Union giving priority to bettering the lives of its own citizens. This may be a better way to survive the onslaught of insanity than what the Soviet Union did by establishing thousands of Houses of Soviet People's Culture and People's Book Houses in the world spending hundreds of billions of dollars. These had little impact in promoting reason in the world and the slogan "Religion is the opiate of the people" fell on deaf ears.
For it's survival China will work with the religious extremists and medievalists where necessary Example: China's one time relationship with Israel, a state founded on the basis of the " only people chosen by God" or more recently the visit of a delegation of the Afghan Taliban to Beijing.
It is a pragmatic approach ; far more than the idealistic Soviet Union's communists could ever imagine.

No matter how rational, secularist, and scientifically-based you think the communist governments/societies are like, they are not that simple. Every social movement requires passion and faith. Early communist willingly went into impossible battles in which they know they will die, for the reason that they BELIEVED wholehearted in their cause. This is the power of faith.

We must understand that communism and socialism is only anti-religion for the simple reason that religion has been used as a structure of oppression and control that keeps the poor and the proletariats enslaved. Once religions drops that role as the tool of the oppressor, communists and socialists do not fundamentally have a problem with them, they can coexist with no problem.

The biggest problem do NOT lie in religion, it lies in religion and religious people's idiotic fear of anyone who do NOT profess to believe in their god. The oppressive feudal land lord class and the capitalists could be cold-hearted atheists or even devil worshipers, but as long as they provide the church with money and pay lip-services to the religion in media, they will be much more well loved and accepted by the religion and religious people than the honest communists/socialists.

You can't never please those who discriminates against you. Religion and religious people discriminate against communists and socialists, and rather lie with devil-worshiping capitalists that regularly conducts orgies and breaks every religious law in everyday practice.

These Virgin-Mary-worshiping devout believers love to hold hands with those suger-daddies capitalists who jerk off and ejaculate on the picture of Mary behind their back.

This is the problem with religions. It's not the religions that is problematic, it is the unjust and weak human mind that is problematic.
 

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First of all, DON'T UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF RELIGION.

Secondly, "Religion is the opiate of the people" is widely misused. It was originally referring to the traditional religion as nothing but a pacifier that relinquishes revolutionary passion, making people too soft and unwilling to rise up and overthrow the existing structure of oppression via bloody revolution. In this case, Religion has already has its table turned.

Today's revived religious zealotry world-wide is NOT at all anti-revolution, in fact, today's religions is more like a call to revolution. The leaders uses it to rouse up revolutionary passion to overthrown the secularist and rational establishment across the world. Today's religion inspires people to rise up and act upon a certain ideology/cause. This is very different from what religion was like, a century ago when the communists/socialists was ushering a societal revolution.
Respect your opinion but will disagree.
Religion ( any religion) has no place in politics, revolution, education or day to day government. Confined to personal and community spirituality and moral sustenance religion has a role.
On religious "revolutions".
1. The "Islamic Revolution" in Iran has turned a once modern and progressive country into a regressive society and an international pariah.
2. Until 1980 Afghanistan was a modern secular socialist society with full rights to women and minorities. The deliberate religious manipulation of the Anti-Soviet resistance has left a legacy of social regression that will persist for the foreseeable future.
3. Pakistan when founded was intended to be a secular quasi-socialist state with proposed anti- feudal land reforms and a path toward industrialization. In the late 1950s to mid 1960s it was ahead of South Korea and Singapore both in economic and social indices. It failed when an " Islamic " constitution was incorporated.
4. Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt have gone the same way. The Central Asian CIS is going the same way with all the Soviet era reforms going down the tube.
5. Once stable Yugoslavia has been ripped asunder when communist era secularism was junked and Greek Orthodox Serbs, Catholic Croats, and
Bosnian Muslims slaughtered each other.
6. The two significant countries that will go into the dustbin over obsession with religion are Russia and of course India.

Mercifully Chjna seems to have somehow handled the problem of reversion to obscurantism.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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Religion ( any religion) has no place in politics, revolution, education or day to day government. Confined to personal and community spirituality and moral sustenance religion has a role.

This is certainly not an observation, but something that you would prefer and advocate for. The problem is, reality does NOT do our biddings. We all want religion to stay out of politics. But you should know that if it has the power to do so, and there is not enough opposing power to effective prevent it to do so, it will do so.

In pre-modern China, Religions is effectively suppressed by the Confucian secularist court (朝廷) and the literati class(士大夫阶级). This is why there are historical "灭佛” (Suppression of Buddhism).
 

jimmyjames30x30

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1. The "Islamic Revolution" in Iran has turned a once modern and progressive country into a regressive society and an international pariah.

This is very subjective. Pahlavi Dynasty is nothing but a flashy vase (花瓶): nice to look at, plenty to boast about to a western liberal audience, but rotten and weak to the core. Pahlavi Iran is as toothless as Saudi Arabia. Powerful nations could force it to do their biddings without even having to show force. The USA could make it squeal.

Today's Iran might be a lot poorer, a lot less liberal progressive, but it has plenty of back bone, and a power to be reckon with. Western liberalism hates back bones and independent national will. They will hold their "human rights" and "progressive society" at the cost of the power of the nation. They want strong individuals and weak government: perfect to manipulate and control with their Anglo-American media-hegemony and their Anglo-American maritime super power.

Well, if your atheist liberal values renders every country into a toothless sheep, waiting to have their wool (or even life) harvested by the Anglo-American grand master, than it's nothing but garbage.
 
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