Anyway, the latest image available disproves Ajai Shukla's claims about Hot Springs/Gogra and shows the mutual withdrawal. Most importantly, it shows that while China moved back by the agreed to 2 km from the Indian LAC, it has retreated almost 4 km from the Chinese claim line(Hot springs/gogra is one of 4 sectors where India and China has differing perceptions of LAC)
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Well for starters, he recently claimed on his blog that China hadn't withdrawn from Gogra/Hot Springs. Yet the latest images seem to contradict that claim. BTW, if Ajai Shukla is so reliable, why hasn't he ever provided evidence for his claims? Only "sources and documents." And as I have said before, he has contradicted many other respected analysts/journalists such as Snehesh Alex Philip, Manu Pubby, Vishnu Som, Abhijit Iyer(none of whom are pro Modi) as well as western analysts such as Nathan Ruser and Taylor Fravel.
Anyway, for those who are confused, this is the best available image of the LAC. It shows the LAC that has existed since 1993, as well as some other claims that are not officially recognized by India. Of course, China amended its claim to include the entire Galwan Valley up until it meets the Shyok, about 4-5 km from the 1993 lac.
So even following Ajai Shukla's claims, China intruded by at most 1 km. And as satellite images by various third-party sources show, China has withdrawn far behind its claim line, while India still has a smaller prescence within 1 km of the 1993 lac. When India is confident China is sincerely following the agreement, I will also fully withdraw and restore status quo ante.
So even following Ajai Shukla's claims, China intruded by at most 1 km. And as satellite images by various third-party sources show, China has withdrawn far behind its claim line, while India still has a smaller prescence within 1 km of the 1993 lac. When India is confident China is sincerely following the agreement, I will also fully withdraw and restore status quo ante.
And here is another good image of Indian and Chinese positions relative to the Indian LAC just before disengagement
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I am one of those who is confused. My only reference point is the approximate site of the clash which is supposedly near PP14 According to the following map, Ajai Shukla seems to have a different understanding of where PP 14 is located. If the following map is correct the clash would probably be within India's side of the claim than the Chinese side. If you accept Ajai's version then the conclusion would be very different.
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China annexes 60 square km of India in Ladakh as simmering tensions erupt between two superpowers
That's what shows me that China took 60km sq.
What are these satellite images you are showing? They don't have the resolution to see anything. Looks like a standard pictures that could have been taken any time with labels that we are just supposed to believe. I cannot see troops, withdrawal, some are without date taken, I don't see what qualifies them as evidence. Anybody can make these with any satellite images of the region they find online. The latest post shows prior to the disengagement.
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This was proven fake news I believe.
Mate you are very confused. We're talking about mutual claims not recognised borders. Both sides recognise certain lines where beyond which is certainly India and beyond which is certainly China right? Neither side is disputing this. However both sides dispute Aksai Chin and Ladakh region and India actually is the one with the claim to the entirety of those disputed lands. China's claim for example at Pangong Tso has always been to finger 4 which is midway between finger 1 to finger 8. However India here claims everything from finger 1 to finger 8. Now the buffer is finger 3 to finger 5 with China taking finger 5 to 8. Isn't that China moving up to China's claims (finger 4) and now taking finger 8 to 5 while finger 4's 1km to both sides now serves as a buffer? Perhaps a drawing is necessary to illustrate this point. So yes India has indeed lost its claim to finger 5 - 8. The situation a Galwan Valley and Depsang is similar where China has now taken what India also claimed. The issue is that the claims overlap! And this is the source of confusion.
Well neither side "lost" land. India has however lost claimed land. If that's what you mean. India losing claimed land is undeniable. Explain losing fingers 5 to 8 at Pangong. India claimed beyond PP14/15 at Galwan too and now all that beyond these points are Chinese while PP14/15 is a buffer.
China has not lost any land either, going back to the recognised border lines and NOT the disputes. However China has gained disputed land both at Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso.
The LAC does NOT equal Indian claimed border lines though! Please try to understand this. Indian claimed border is WELL past the LAC and now India has lost those lands. That's what I'm referring to. I'm only talking about the "extra" lands that both sides are disputing. The LAC started as Indian military jargon where they already have pseudo recognised China's claims while India's official formal claims in the past was up to China's recognised borders. LAC was in place because Chinese military has also been patrolling up to the LAC all these decades. I hope that clears up the confusion.
This shows both sides have moved back 1km (actually not shown how far back but the claimed back off for both sides is 1km adding up to a total 2km wide buffer) at the very points up to which China's CLAIMS are. So the situation is both sides have recognised China's claimed borderlines rather than India's and to cool down the flash point, both will create a buffer at China's claims. Remember now, India's claims are WELL beyond these points up to China's border. Of course this isn't the case anymore and India's government has cooperated with China to settle the disputes here and agreed to China's claims instead which is roughly the LAC lines. The 2km wide buffer is a temporary status. But will the dispute in future move onto who gets the entirety of this 2km buffer? That's the question. China of course claims up to half of that buffer and India will certainly at least claim up to the half way points as well but probably want to get it all since it's given China the rest already.
Ajai Shukla and others are talking about how India has lost the rest of its claims! You guys are confusing them completely but it's so obvious. They are just making the point that China has not left India's original claims. It has nothing to do with the confrontation spots which is at the edge of China's claims. Anyway they're just more political figures in the Indian establishment. I only wanted to clear up your confusion and explain the above paragraph.
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