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Phead128

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Indians only respect power. It's why Indians respect their former colonizers (British) despite enslavement/mass famine while they despise Chinese who has done nothing to them. China should not hold back and deliver an mega ass-whooping to secure Indian respect for the next 100 years.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Indians only respect power. It's why Indians respect their former colonizers (British) despite enslavement/mass famine while they despise Chinese who has done nothing to them. China should not hold back and deliver an mega ass-whooping to secure Indian respect for the next 100 years.
Bbbutt beating India isn't how a "responsible power" is supposed to behave according to the western bloc. Lol
 

siegecrossbow

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Here comes the deranged Indian media smarting over Qi Fabao becoming Olympic torchbearer for China. There's something messed up with their mentality essentially dictating to China to hide away it's soldiers which basically means to not acknowledge the sacrifice and contributions for China or else. Would India have taken such a high road if they're the one who were in the exact position of China? Don't freaking think so.


For a channel dedicated to debunking Chinese lies they sure love using Chinese video footage.
 

Sardaukar20

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Indians only respect power. It's why Indians respect their former colonizers (British) despite enslavement/mass famine while they despise Chinese who has done nothing to them. China should not hold back and deliver an mega ass-whooping to secure Indian respect for the next 100 years.
Agree. China has been trying to negotiate with India since the 1950s. What India did all these time was: 1962 war, supporting Tibetan separatism, border skirmishes, Doklam standoff, abrogation of Article 370, and the 2020 Galwan cowardly ambush.

If India can flip flop on sending delegates to the Olympics. How can you take its word with border negotiations? India does not have a border dispute with Myanmar. But yet is currently supporting Chin state terrorist separatists in Myanmar. How could any Asian neighbours trust India?

China talking to India for 70 years have not yielded anything positive. India is still treating China like an enemy, and is being racist against the Chinese people. India is due for an ass whooping someday.
 

siegecrossbow

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Indeed. The Indians are quite super sensitive these days. Can't take any promises from them. When their Superpowah ego gets bruised, they'll cancel deals. That's why its better not to do any serious deals with India.

P. S.:

Pictures about two national military heroes:

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Qi Fabao becoming Olympic torchbearer for China.

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Abhinandan Varthaman becomes brand ambassador for Khan's Tea stall in Karachi Pakistan.

The prevailing sentiment from Chinese military bloggers is that China should’ve kept the officers captive so they could run behind Commander Qi for the torch relays.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Settling the border issue is the ultimate display of friendship. Both sides give up some claims which they cannot walk back on. Frankly, with the power of China rising, India should seize the window of opportunity to resolve the border issue now. The price will go up in the future. Unfortunately, I doubt Indian government has the wisdom and courage to settle the border issue today. This will be an albatross on the neck of India, forever pouring money down the rathole with nothing to show for it.
India is unable to do this due to domestic politics. It is more likely to start a fight than to end one.

base on their obsessive behavior with regard to Galwan 2020 (a skirmish that they lost), if defeated decisively they will not give up. Instead they will likely start a "stabbed in the back" myth just like Adolf Hitler, start putting fascists in power, persecute minorities that they blame for defeat, and launch a devastating war.
 

ougoah

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If the Indians launch a war on any massive scale in an attempt to overwhelm Chinese forces at the Ladakh side borders, they can stand to gain some ground due to overwhelming numbers advantage in this geography. They don't do it because that valve isn't opened yet by Modi but he's primed the press and set up every justification along the way. The only issue for him is China sure as fk won't be backing down and whatever ground the Indians gain won't be held for long.

The gap between China's military strength and India's is greater than the gap between the US and China's back in the 1990s. The economic and industrial gap is even greater than that. China will require shifting some key military strength towards India if such a thing were to happen and if so, the price for India needs to be set commensurately. If Pakistan will only sit on its hands if such a major war were to happen, that would be a failure on both China and Pakistan. After all, India poses an existential threat to Pakistan due to a more convincing dominance of escalation ladder and respective sizes. If India sees a major two front war opening up and China redirecting force towards it, it will see the end and may choose to threaten Pakistan just to stop invasions. China will not be able to afford an invasion to destroy or take over India but beating them back, securing claimed parts and then some is the least it could do as a "price" for India instigating any major war. China would be able to stretch itself no further and may need to deal with an incessantly annoying and provocative India if it does this. Lose lose in every way since China will have to deal with a more belligerent India if India were to lose land beyond Chinese claim lines. Pakistan cannot risk nuclear war with India, China cannot and honestly does not want to capture India. Ideally India gets split and balkanised with internal conflict along those divisions - Punjab, Kerala, Assam etc but this is easier said than done.

If India's internal turmoil turns even more dramatic, Modi may choose that path since he's little to lose. Wait to watch India continue slumming towards the bottom of the ladder or divide further along those lines of tension or redirect focus on a war with China he knows is counter to China's wishes for ascending further. It throws a massive spanner in the works and the Anglo allies would love to see the Indians fight with the Chinese while they sit back and provide lip service for the audiences.

To realise this is CCP's first job, to guard against this is its main job regarding relations with India. There is no solution. It's like living in wealth next to a violent, aggressive, and mentally retarded neighbour who deeply envies you and throws tantrums every once in a while. You can't kill him every time he makes a move on you because you'd go to prison but you don't have a solution.

If India commits to human and armour wave invasion on Tibet, China has lots of metal to meet those Indians and they need to be stocked up en masse and delivered quickly. Repelling an massive Indian invasion isn't hard since any mobilisation of that scale of force is visible and obvious for days if not weeks (for the Indians probably months to get their shit together). Not to mention lots more import of equipment and ammunition from Russia, France, and Israel. Once forces amassed, depending on size, mobilise counters. Indian warfare is infantry level tactics thinking. China needs to cripple Indian infrastructure, attack supply nodes, neutralise Indian air power with hypersonic weapons and ballistic missiles, infantry are soft targets once critical support is absent. Thermobaric weapons take out entire battalions in seconds and infantry are visible from space in real time.

India is a speed bump that China would much rather avoid having to deal with. And it also seems India itself is unwilling to throw itself towards China either. Hopefully this Ladakh border conflict is de-escalated for good. War is often a poor path to progress.
 

siegecrossbow

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If the Indians launch a war on any massive scale in an attempt to overwhelm Chinese forces at the Ladakh side borders, they can stand to gain some ground due to overwhelming numbers advantage in this geography. They don't do it because that valve isn't opened yet by Modi but he's primed the press and set up every justification along the way. The only issue for him is China sure as fk won't be backing down and whatever ground the Indians gain won't be held for long.

The gap between China's military strength and India's is greater than the gap between the US and China's back in the 1990s. The economic and industrial gap is even greater than that. China will require shifting some key military strength towards India if such a thing were to happen and if so, the price for India needs to be set commensurately. If Pakistan will only sit on its hands if such a major war were to happen, that would be a failure on both China and Pakistan. After all, India poses an existential threat to Pakistan due to a more convincing dominance of escalation ladder and respective sizes. If India sees a major two front war opening up and China redirecting force towards it, it will see the end and may choose to threaten Pakistan just to stop invasions. China will not be able to afford an invasion to destroy or take over India but beating them back, securing claimed parts and then some is the least it could do as a "price" for India instigating any major war. China would be able to stretch itself no further and may need to deal with an incessantly annoying and provocative India if it does this. Lose lose in every way since China will have to deal with a more belligerent India if India were to lose land beyond Chinese claim lines. Pakistan cannot risk nuclear war with India, China cannot and honestly does not want to capture India. Ideally India gets split and balkanised with internal conflict along those divisions - Punjab, Kerala, Assam etc but this is easier said than done.

If India's internal turmoil turns even more dramatic, Modi may choose that path since he's little to lose. Wait to watch India continue slumming towards the bottom of the ladder or divide further along those lines of tension or redirect focus on a war with China he knows is counter to China's wishes for ascending further. It throws a massive spanner in the works and the Anglo allies would love to see the Indians fight with the Chinese while they sit back and provide lip service for the audiences.

To realise this is CCP's first job, to guard against this is its main job regarding relations with India. There is no solution. It's like living in wealth next to a violent, aggressive, and mentally retarded neighbour who deeply envies you and throws tantrums every once in a while. You can't kill him every time he makes a move on you because you'd go to prison but you don't have a solution.

If India commits to human and armour wave invasion on Tibet, China has lots of metal to meet those Indians and they need to be stocked up en masse and delivered quickly. Repelling an massive Indian invasion isn't hard since any mobilisation of that scale of force is visible and obvious for days if not weeks (for the Indians probably months to get their shit together). Not to mention lots more import of equipment and ammunition from Russia, France, and Israel. Once forces amassed, depending on size, mobilise counters. Indian warfare is infantry level tactics thinking. China needs to cripple Indian infrastructure, attack supply nodes, neutralise Indian air power with hypersonic weapons and ballistic missiles, infantry are soft targets once critical support is absent. Thermobaric weapons take out entire battalions in seconds and infantry are visible from space in real time.

India is a speed bump that China would much rather avoid having to deal with. And it also seems India itself is unwilling to throw itself towards China either. Hopefully this Ladakh border conflict is de-escalated for good. War is often a poor path to progress.

They've picked neither war nor peace and has instead taken the middle path of fighting a war of words on Twitter.
 

reservior dogs

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If the Indians launch a war on any massive scale in an attempt to overwhelm Chinese forces at the Ladakh side borders, they can stand to gain some ground due to overwhelming numbers advantage in this geography. They don't do it because that valve isn't opened yet by Modi but he's primed the press and set up every justification along the way. The only issue for him is China sure as fk won't be backing down and whatever ground the Indians gain won't be held for long.

The gap between China's military strength and India's is greater than the gap between the US and China's back in the 1990s. The economic and industrial gap is even greater than that. China will require shifting some key military strength towards India if such a thing were to happen and if so, the price for India needs to be set commensurately. If Pakistan will only sit on its hands if such a major war were to happen, that would be a failure on both China and Pakistan. After all, India poses an existential threat to Pakistan due to a more convincing dominance of escalation ladder and respective sizes. If India sees a major two front war opening up and China redirecting force towards it, it will see the end and may choose to threaten Pakistan just to stop invasions. China will not be able to afford an invasion to destroy or take over India but beating them back, securing claimed parts and then some is the least it could do as a "price" for India instigating any major war. China would be able to stretch itself no further and may need to deal with an incessantly annoying and provocative India if it does this. Lose lose in every way since China will have to deal with a more belligerent India if India were to lose land beyond Chinese claim lines. Pakistan cannot risk nuclear war with India, China cannot and honestly does not want to capture India. Ideally India gets split and balkanised with internal conflict along those divisions - Punjab, Kerala, Assam etc but this is easier said than done.

If India's internal turmoil turns even more dramatic, Modi may choose that path since he's little to lose. Wait to watch India continue slumming towards the bottom of the ladder or divide further along those lines of tension or redirect focus on a war with China he knows is counter to China's wishes for ascending further. It throws a massive spanner in the works and the Anglo allies would love to see the Indians fight with the Chinese while they sit back and provide lip service for the audiences.

To realise this is CCP's first job, to guard against this is its main job regarding relations with India. There is no solution. It's like living in wealth next to a violent, aggressive, and mentally retarded neighbour who deeply envies you and throws tantrums every once in a while. You can't kill him every time he makes a move on you because you'd go to prison but you don't have a solution.

If India commits to human and armour wave invasion on Tibet, China has lots of metal to meet those Indians and they need to be stocked up en masse and delivered quickly. Repelling an massive Indian invasion isn't hard since any mobilisation of that scale of force is visible and obvious for days if not weeks (for the Indians probably months to get their shit together). Not to mention lots more import of equipment and ammunition from Russia, France, and Israel. Once forces amassed, depending on size, mobilise counters. Indian warfare is infantry level tactics thinking. China needs to cripple Indian infrastructure, attack supply nodes, neutralise Indian air power with hypersonic weapons and ballistic missiles, infantry are soft targets once critical support is absent. Thermobaric weapons take out entire battalions in seconds and infantry are visible from space in real time.

India is a speed bump that China would much rather avoid having to deal with. And it also seems India itself is unwilling to throw itself towards China either. Hopefully this Ladakh border conflict is de-escalated for good. War is often a poor path to progress.
Back in 62, after defeating the Indians, the Chinese took all the land they wanted. They were being quite strategic when they did that. If you look at the current border, with the exception of a couple of places near Aksai Chin, where the land used to belong to Pakistan but were taken later by India, the Chinese have taken all the high plateau and leaving the mountainous regions to India. If a future war happen, the Chinese will also take this bit of the high plateau, and maybe return some of it back to Pakistan.

The border terrain means however many troops India station in the area, they can only defend and not attack. There is simply no possibility of human wave attack if you can't even supply food and water once large number of troops reach the high plateau area. The Chinese just have to wait a couple of days and the Indian army would be forced to either surrender or return to where they came from due to shortage of basic needs such as water. They are even having problem supplying the troops where they are today due to road closures and such. If push comes to shove, the Chinese can always bomb a few bridges and blow ups some roads, bomb their supply depot. Hundreds of thousands of troops stranded near AP with no food and ammo.

Judging from their last skirmish with Pakistan, they are even afraid of the Pakistanis. However much turmoil inside of India, they won't start a serious war with either Pakistan or China anytime soon. They might pick a small fight as a political distraction, but that is just theater, not war.
 
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