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siegecrossbow

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I don't believe India is the next USSR. They are an aggressive, racist middle power bankrupting themselves in the short run by military buildup and using slavery to make up the difference. They're going to bite off more than they can chew and get pummeled for it.

Basically they are the next Nazi Germany.

More like the next Fascist Italy. Maybe the Maoists insurgents will be their Ethiopia.
 

Sardaukar20

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Yes. But India insists Barak 8 ( israeli) is the only system capable enough to destroy a low altitude supersonic Brahmos. Don't know if this is true or a marketing strategy. Anyway, Barak 8 is exported to India and Azerbaijan.
India claims that only the Barak 8 can intercept their Brahmos? They also claimed that their Rafales are superior to anything in the PLAAF's inventory.

There are Russian and Chinese SAMs with superior top speed and radars than the Barak 8. If the Barak 8 is true as advertised as capable of stopping the Brahmos missile. Then it should be even better news for China.
 

Sardaukar20

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What you say is correct. But India might being weaker in all aspect might still made use of this tactic... To quickly hurt the Chinese forces and hopefully making the lost unacceptable for the Chinese, so much so that the Chinese would not want such a confrontation to begin with. Many weaker armies do that to deter a full out attack by a stronger army
True. Many weaker armies use the theory of unacceptable losses to deter a stronger one. Like what North Korea and Iran does with the US. This is done mainly for a self-defensive.

But there are some differences here:
1) India is actually the aggressor party, not China. It actually provoked the border conflicts in 1962, 2017, and 2020. In all of those cases, India acted first, and then China responded.
2) China is not fighting some war of aggression. China actually wants to retake its rightful territory. Its actually a war to defend the motherland. For such a war, the tolerance for losses is much, much higher. We can argue the same for India, but India does not have the same type of national spirit to fight for those lands. Their claim is actually an invented myth. Created by the British, and then adopted by the Indian elites. Then pushed down to the masses via a top-down approach. That's why their Jawans had terrible morale.

So what India actually did in 2020 to now is provoke a border conflict with China. China responded, and both sides are now at a standoff, waiting to see who blinks first. Then India puts their Brahmos missiles at the border to 'deter' China from taking military action to get back its own territory? China's great restraint now, is not because of those Brahmos missiles successfully deterring it. It is because China wants to avoid war as much as possible. So if India does provoke a war, those Brahmos missiles essential becomes blackmail. A lousy piece of blackmail that actually angers more than it frightens.
 

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China has MLRS with similar range at least up to 400 km.
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Not sure if the above had been posted before... It was old news already. However if the Chinese did deploy large numbers of PCL-191... It certainly can be a massive threat to Indian troops in those area. Maybe that is why they are moving their trump card Brahmos to those area...
 

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Not sure if the above had been posted before... It was old news already. However if the Chinese did deploy large numbers of PCL-191... It certainly can be a massive threat to Indian troops in those area. Maybe that is why they are moving their trump card Brahmos to those area...
India pushed its own rocket systems to counter it. The Brahmos deployment is a new front.

India however is outmatched on the number and quality of systems. The only instance where I found India bragging is for their Helicopter performance versus China during the 2020 "cold conflict"( but the veracity is still upto debate). On all other spheres, India lags.
 

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India however is outmatched on the number and quality of systems. The only instance where I found India bragging is for their Helicopter performance versus China during the 2020 "cold conflict"( but the veracity is still upto debate). On all other spheres, India lags.
You mean like the time when they bragged about their AH-64 Apaches vs Z-10s?

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Yeah on paper, the AH-64s compares rather more favourably against the Z-10s. But again, it's just comparing toys against toys. Logistics and doctrines wins wars, not just the toys.

Besides flying Apaches into an air space dominated by the PLAAF is a death sentence. Also, India has a dubious history of flying choppers into 'hot' air space. The last time they did that was in 27th Feb 2019.
 

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Not sure if the above had been posted before... It was old news already. However if the Chinese did deploy large numbers of PCL-191... It certainly can be a massive threat to Indian troops in those area. Maybe that is why they are moving their trump card Brahmos to those area...
Yes. Those PCL-191s are a massive threat to the Indian Army. They readily outrange all known Indian gun or rocket artillery. They were deployed in response to India deploying their M777s and K9s at the border. Combined with precision guidance, these rockets can be devastating to a large variety of targets.

India wants to counter it with Brahmos. But China has weapons, far scarier than the Brahmos. Its a escalation game that India is hopeless to win.
 
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