So Russia's strategy towards the US since they know they could never match America's strength. Nice to know you think so low of india because I do too.
Ladakh Flash Point
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You are funny! You pretend that your country being poor and desolate is an advantage?? LOL The Soviets had a lot less to lose than America did and they didn't win anything, did they, Mr. Desperate Nuclear War Advocate?
China has hypersonic ICBMs and ICBMs with 10 MIRVs on it. China has better tech, better military, better economy, better people; India is outclassed. There will be no exchange; India will just disappear before they even know what's happening... unless, like I said, India proves as incompetent with its nukes as it is with every other peice of military equipment and ends up self-nuking first. Face it, no matter how desperate and crazy you get, India has no chance to beat China at anything. If China wants, we can beat you at cricket too LOL
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India left Kailash during the disengagements on Pangong and Galwan. It is and has always been disputed. What is this about Kailash being Indian!? Is Everest peak also Indian too?? Get out of here.
China claiming other countries as their own. More bullshit. China's disputes with neighbours have not changed. It has resolved and ceded plenty to neighbours especially neighbours that are genuinely neutral or friendly. On other cases, China has negotiated and compromised and swapped/traded land to resolve disputes. India on the other hand had simply annexed Goa and Sikkim along with half a dozen smaller prior princely states and also Kashmir. It had and still has plenty of disputes india has never been okay with compromising on.
The ONLY Chinese dispute issue that makes China genuinely unfairly assertive is the SCS nine dash line specifics that go far beyond island chains. Diaoyu islands are Chinese, taken over by the Japanese during second world war. The land disputes have been remnants of the civil war era and the birth of the PRC. It's not like they woke up one day and decided to dispute land. They've always been there and China at least hasn't just taken them by military force against some Stan countries. Unlike India which simply used superior military forces to take over their disputes.
The SCS nine dash line is a fair enough case of China being unreasonably assertive. Kailash range is not Indian and has always been disputed. Saying it is Indian is simply incorrect. It's a big place.
China claiming other countries as their own. More bullshit. China's disputes with neighbours have not changed. It has resolved and ceded plenty to neighbours especially neighbours that are genuinely neutral or friendly. On other cases, China has negotiated and compromised and swapped/traded land to resolve disputes. India on the other hand had simply annexed Goa and Sikkim along with half a dozen smaller prior princely states and also Kashmir. It had and still has plenty of disputes india has never been okay with compromising on.
The ONLY Chinese dispute issue that makes China genuinely unfairly assertive is the SCS nine dash line specifics that go far beyond island chains. Diaoyu islands are Chinese, taken over by the Japanese during second world war. The land disputes have been remnants of the civil war era and the birth of the PRC. It's not like they woke up one day and decided to dispute land. They've always been there and China at least hasn't just taken them by military force against some Stan countries. Unlike India which simply used superior military forces to take over their disputes.
The SCS nine dash line is a fair enough case of China being unreasonably assertive. Kailash range is not Indian and has always been disputed. Saying it is Indian is simply incorrect. It's a big place.
With all due respect, I think you need to do some research on what nuclear deterrance actually is.
I get what you are trying to say, but I don't know why you are bringing Goa into this. As I said before, Nehru only invaded Goa after Portugal refused to agree to a diplomatic solution like France did. And the people of Sikkim chose to become a part of India.
That's cute actually. I wonder how long it would take for indian dodo government to beg democratically for their lives on feet of paki pm khan after missiles from their western neighbor radiate delhi & ganga , after all, it's a game of who have more to lose.
Getting sandwiched in between almost 300 megaton yield nukes & 160 tactical nukes, not a ideal situation for fragile bharat mata.
We also need to calculate the possibility of some of those made in india nukes landing on bharat mata herself, as we all have seen indian mizziles have history of running out of fuel midway.
But i have a better plan, how about China printing fake H1 visas & throw them on other sides of border. Would be interesting to watch what happens next.It will be harsh on poor ration less job searching people posing in costume to get radiated
Right I understand those aspects and personally am actually in favour of that believe it or not. I'm using those examples to counter the frequent internet attitude that all China does is always wrong and it always acts in bad faith without acting to the standard others want from it. I'm trying to show that this is universal and doesn't apply just to China. In fact China has negotiated and talked and even ceded plenty of land. India hasn't always afforded even that. Yes the details with India's annexation of Goa and Sikkim are indeed important in the wider context but there are also examples like Kashmir. The point I'm making is India doesn't always ask nicely and act on the wishes of others. It shouldn't (when it came to Goa and Sikkim personal opinion) but it also doesn't.
Imagine if the western community constantly refuse to look at the details and condemn its actions and make sweeping inaccurate judgements and statements like India claims everything takes it by force. Well PRC suffers this for Hong Kong. SAR is still there. Just because some people want to claim SAR status is taken away by the CPC, doesn't mean it has. Extradition law for a murderer spurred on the greatest protest movement due in no small part to actual foreign hand. Anyway this is going off trail but you get what I mean and I have constantly been using those examples to show that India sees something as rightfully theirs and wouldn't ask opinions, no different to any country especially country that has relatively significant overall power. It is certainly no better than China in this aspect.
Relating this to Kailash range. This has been disputed between the two and it isn't India's no more than China can claim Arunachal is sacred Chinese land that's always been and why are we letting India claim it and have presence on it? etc Imagine how infuriating and silly that would be for CPC to print propaganda pieces saying AP is Chinese and important. Never left Chinese hands until the Indians stole it and we should all rise up and take it back from India. It doesn't happen because it's not how it really is. On the other hand with that Kailash propaganda piece... anyway that is actually possibly trouble for Modi ad BJP since it seems like something its political opponents have been using in the past against Modi and want to hype up again.
Actually, india would have far more to lose. It would not be even close.
The scale of destruction visited on German and Japanese cities during WWII by British and America. Conventional bombing shows 120 or so low to medium yield nuclear warheads used in a counter value attack would visit on a country like China, or for that matter, india, today can hampered their war efforts to various degrees, but it neither broke their ability, nor their willingness, to continue to fight effectively.
Not war winning, but the impact will be very different because the two countries will weather the exchange very differently.
Instrumental to how well each country could weather such an exchange would be the effectiveness of their prewar planning for, and execution upon war warning of, the evacuation of population and industry, the effectiveness of their respective civil defenses during the nuclear exchange, the effectiveness of post attack relief efforts, as well as the effectiveness of post attack industrial reorganization required to minimize the effect of the attack the ability of each country to continue to pursue the war, and to rebuilt after the end of the war.
There is no doubt in each one of these category, China will massively outperform india.
In dollar terms, the initial material damage to China would likely to higher. But it is almost 100% certain that post attack, Chinese central control would be stronger, infrastructure and industry would be reorganized better, re-housing of people made homeless by the attack done much more quickly, allocation of food and services using damaged infrastructure done much more efficiently and effectively, efforts to deal with nuclear fall out more effective, epidemic disease control far more effective, rebuilding commenced sooner and done much more efficiently. in other words, india will be impacted much much more severely by less physical damage up front, with the effects lasting much much longer, than would eb the case for China under same scale of nuclear counter value attack.
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Nice. So being poorer and more backward is actually something to applaud. I cannot understand Indian's logic... The point is... After what you have written... I know u are one of the 'elites' in India. Bcos u absolutely has no regards for normal people in India....
and you are right, China has more to lose than India, bcos, unlike what western media would lied about, Chinese government actually cares for her citizens. While Indians think theirs are expandable. So we are not in the same league.
Guys ... this thread has gone well beyond a thread on the "Ladakh Flash Point" and has evolved into a purely political India vs. China discussion.
You all know the rules and if not, please read them ... so either you stop this or I'll close this thread.
Take this as a warning.
You all know the rules and if not, please read them ... so either you stop this or I'll close this thread.
Take this as a warning.
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