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Maula Jatt

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Most nations are indeed rather neutral or antagonist to China but I don't think Pakistan simps over China. If anything it gets more out of the alliance. China also has to deal with very misinformed Pakistani "fans" and "simps" who are extremely volatile or often turn against China when their delusions become realised. Both nations have a working relationship and should strive to maintain that, as for all nations. It's just that misinformed people who "think" based on dogma and emotion are terrible supporters to have (this doesn't apply exclusively to Pakistanis and indeed certainly not all Pakistanis or the nation of Pakistan).

China prefers to have good relations and working relations with all nations... as do all nations. Pakistan's value to China is in a regional partner who cooperates on the common "problem" of an antagonistic India which has much stronger connections and influence by the west. It's the original reason for China-Pakistan relations to have developed and remains as the main motivator despite CPEC and BRI now becoming relatively important to both. China offers far more financial and military support to Pakistan than it receives from Pakistan.

Too often Pakistani "fans" are simply too misinformed about various topics. It shows how little they understand of the alliance and technical topics. While it's in the interest of both that good relations are maintained, neither country are simps for the other. Whatever "help" Pakistan receives in terms of military and financial regards, it pays for in one form or another. Short and medium term strategic goals align but ironically India's and China's long term goals align even further if both retain a healthy attitude of seeing a multipolar, peaceful world grow out of this eventually. China is intolerant of any power group especially political ones and organised religions that threaten to disrupt progress (for better or worse). India on paper is the most tolerant out of the three. Pakistan is even less tolerant than China (replace CCP with Islam in that comparison) and unless Pakistan is okay with non-Islamic nations, China and Pakistan's long term strategic goals can not possibly align beyond surface cooperation.
I don't think India can be a Chinese friend as accepting Chinese hegammany is unacceptable to em (as it should, billion plus people are something...)

I don't think it's as one sided as it seems to an on looker
There's a reason every major power looks to ally itself with Pak precisely because of it's location on the map (my conspiracy theory is that it was l "created" so west can take advantage of that location)

Major Muslim nation, a player in south Asia, ocean link for centeral Asia(home to rich natural resources, gem mines), immense economic potential (growth rate always got up to 6,7 percent when we get stable leadership)

But stability is hard to come by in democracy on top of that it's location is a curse like Congos resources

It becomes a play ground for powers to play thier games to curry influence in the country which in turn destabilizing the country
 

Mohsin77

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China also has to deal with very misinformed Pakistani "fans" and "simps" who are extremely volatile or often turn against China when their delusions become realised.

Most of my compatriots are like children. Interestingly, this is a phenomenon I've observed in all nationalities throughout the Muslim world. I think it's a feature of being the youngest civilization on the planet, and not just in terms of demographics, but historically. We're still in our 'teenage' years, as a civilization that's only fourteen (centuries) old.

and unless Pakistan is okay with non-Islamic nations, China and Pakistan's long term strategic goals can not possibly align beyond surface cooperation.
Not sure what you mean by "okay" in this sentence. If you're referring to the ideas of a few misguided idiots who believe its their duty to forcibly convert every person on earth to Islam, then those are simply idiots who have no idea what Islam is. As for the the majority of Pakistanis (even those who aren't aware of Islam much) they have no issues with non-Islamic nations in general. Nor has Pakistan's geopolitics ever shown an unwillingness to cooperate with non-Muslim nations, just because they are non-Muslim.
 
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ougoah

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Most of my compatriots are like children. Interestingly, this is a phenomenon I've observed in all nationalities throughout the Muslim world. I think it's a feature of being the youngest civilization on the planet, and not just in terms of demographics, but historically. We're still in our 'teenage' years, as a civilization that's only fourteen (centuries) old.


Not sure what you mean by "okay" in this sentence. If you're referring to the ideas of a few misguided idiots who believe its their duty to forcibly convert every person on earth to Islam, then those are simply idiots who have no idea what Islam is. As for the the majority of Pakistanis (even those who aren't aware of Islam much) they have no issues with non-Islamic nations in general. Nor has Pakistan's geopolitics ever shown an unwillingness to cooperate with non-Muslim nations, just because they are non-Muslim.

Quite right but I was referring to those "misguided idiots". Pakistan's politics today is no less rational than any other Muslim nation. Maybe their voices are just louder and too fanatical. I just wanted to address the point that Pakistan is no more a China cheerleader than China is a Pakistani one. Despite what many loudmouths around the world might like to say all the time. Simping... meh okay if cooperation is called simping. As long as these short and medium term strategic goals align so well, both nations are going to remain on solid terms and long term goals can wait and see how both nations develop.
 
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