Korean War 70 years later Win Lose and A draw

Yup ignorant, hubris, sticking his head in the sand UN won? they started the war by crossing 38th parallel and China warn them not to cross. But they didn't listen and even then China still wait But alas they keep persisting and want to cross the Yalu Then China enter the war and push them back to where they started So which territory that they won either that He can't read map lol! Where is the border between Noko and soko yep 38th parallel
The american general that sign the armistice said He is not happy as it is the first time America enter the war and not winning it

As you said the west has been trying to strangle China since the inception of PRC but they never achieve their goal Korean war is the lesson they learn hard China is not weak any more Since then they never dare to get close to China border They try in Vietnam but get bloody nose !

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Assuming UN forces just stopped at the Yalu river and the Chinese Communist intervention didn’t happen, based on the logic of the US’s containment strategy, US and maybe even UN troops will be stationed there; this is something the Chinese Communist leadership couldn’t accept no matter the cost.

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The Chinese leadership was a looking at 3 prongs attack against the newly established PRC , on the head from Korea, on the belly from Taiwan and on the feet from Vietnam (in tandem with colonial French). The Yalu river was the crossing point when the Japanese imperial army invaded north east China. So this is not an unfounded fear .

Even if the US troop stopped at the border (a big if), it does not mean their aircrafts will not bombard China from North Korean bases. The industrial heartland of China then was not far from the Korean border. The bombings would wipe out whatever left of China heavy industries.

Also the US and South Korean troops would certainty conduct border raids against the remnants of North Korean troops that flee to China.
Even if US have no intention to escalate initially, it does not mean it will not do so later and attack China. This mean China would have to place large border troops along the 500 km border along with best equipment and facilities for years. But this was something China could hardly afford given the dire financial situation then.

Hendrik_2000 said:

Yup ignorant, hubris, sticking his head in the sand UN won? they started the war by crossing 38th parallel and China warn them not to cross. But they didn't listen and even then China still wait But alas they keep persisting and want to cross the Yalu Then China enter the war and push them back to where they started So which territory that they won either that He can't read map lol! Where is the border between Noko and soko yep 38th parallel
The american general that sign the armistice said He is not happy as it is the first time America enter the war and not winning it

As you said the west has been trying to strangle China since the inception of PRC but they never achieve their goal Korean war is the lesson they learn hard China is not weak any more Since then they never dare to get close to China border They try in Vietnam but get bloody nose !

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Max Demian is indeed ignorant. The US-led UN forces are on a roll, they were more than willing to pursue the retreating North Korean across the Yalu River. If China had not acted, the UN forces would have certainly encroached into Chinese territory. Historically, the North East of China is the traditional gateway to invade into China. Attacking from there puts Beijing within easy reach. The Mongols, Manchurians, and Japanese have all historically attacked China through that North East route. That is why a rampaging US-led UN force crossing into North East China was rightly considered a grave threat to China by the PRC leaders. Furthermore, China in 1950 just only came out of the Chinese Civil War. It would have been perceived by the US and friends as a 'weak' country barely recovering from a very long period of strife. Mc Arthur arrogantly dismissed China's warning of intervention by saying: "if the Chinese tried to get down to Pyongyang, there would be the greatest slaughter".

Max Demian arrogantly boasts about the 'victory' of US air power inflicting damage to Chinese soldiers. Similar to how General Westmoreland boasts about the "enemy body count" during the Vietnam War. Against determined enemies like North Vietnam and China, the "enemy body count" logic have proven to have failed spectacularly. Winning wars is not just about men and material losses. It is the will to continue the fight. The side that retains the will to fight the longest always wins. In the Korean War, Chinese troops were able to endure their horrific losses and lack of air cover because they knew they were fighting to protect their motherland.

KenC said:

The full documentary by CGTN: Enemy on the doorstep: China's involvement in the Korean War

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If there is one word to describe it, it is courage.
Against such odds and far superior weaponry, Chinese leadership went all the way through, full well knowing they'd lose.

With that kind of leadership, China will live another 10,000 years.

Sardaukar20 said:

Max Demian is indeed ignorant. The US-led UN forces are on a roll, they were more than willing to pursue the retreating North Korean across the Yalu River. If China had not acted, the UN forces would have certainly encroached into Chinese territory. Historically, the North East of China is the traditional gateway to invade into China. Attacking from there puts Beijing within easy reach. The Mongols, Manchurians, and Japanese have all historically attacked China through that North East route

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Do not forget the Soviet air and nuclear support.Without them less would have achieved.Korean war was an ideological war

Hendrik_2000 said:

Yup ignorant, hubris, sticking his head in the sand UN won? they started the war by crossing 38th parallel and China warn them not to cross. But they didn't listen and even

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Ian sorry but it is you sir who are suffering Hubris and has their head in a hole.
The US and UN didn’t start the war. That is blame shifting. China didn’t start the war either, but they were backing the North whom did start the Korean War.
The UN had no direct contact with the PRC.
I ask you now. How do you expect a combatant force to stop at the de facto boarder line in a war where in that boarder line was crossed by the adversary first?
It’s like playing a ball game but crying foul when the ball has crossed back into your court. It’s absurd.
The North had crossed South. Pushed to within miles of the Southern most point of the peninsula. They were overstretched. Inchon happens. Now they are cut off desperate breaking. UN forces are moving up from Pusan and moving in land from Inchon pincers are closing. The DPRK is loosing. Were the UN supposed to stop because China a supposedly outside party doesn’t like it?
People will point at the Gulf war, Yet really that Bush sr. Had stopped was controversial. And decades ahead. Vietnam was decades later. The 38th isn’t the Boarder with China it’s the line at the middle of the peninsula that de facto divided ROK from DPRK.
Waiting to cross the Yalu? Where is your evidence of that? Where was penetration into China Proper? McAuthur might have wanted to but it was his Boss who was to make the call. The US was looking to be home for Christmas.
China didn’t join the war in October they joined it in June. They joined it in the planning stages when Mao supported Kim il Sung in his operations. When it became clear they had bet the wrong horse they launched operations. They wanted Hegemony, buffer states. The Communist version of Imperialism.

They were betting on a Comunist Peninsula. Instead the KPA was routed breaking down. The Chinese come in ethnic Koreans in their ranks are used to sire up the DPRK. The Volunteers are told attack. The general is unsure as he doesn’t have a support base. The UN command is overstretched thinking they have it won.
The UN takes losses not because they were looking to cross the Yalu but because they were at the edge of the supply line and were dreaming of Thanksgiving at home. Then all hell breaks loose.
As to MacArthur he was always a megalomaniac. His command was notoriously self center around MacArthur and though reports were coming in even captured Chinese deserters. He infamously claimed it as disinformation.
The line turns but it’s not a easy victory the Chinese take losses.
Grab the Americans by the Belt buckle is the propaganda order. Every enemy seems to try and for it they take substantial losses.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Ian sorry but it is you sir who are suffering Hubris and has their head in a hole.
The US and UN didn’t start the war. That is blame shifting. China didn’t start the war either, but they were backing the North whom did start the Korean War.
The UN had no direct contact with the PRC.
I ask you now. How do you expect a combatant force to stop at the de facto boarder line in a war where in that boarder line was crossed by the adversary first?
It’s like playing a ball game but crying foul when the ball has crossed back into your court. It’s absurd.
The North had crossed South. Pushed to within miles of the Southern most point of the peninsula. They were overstretched. Inchon happens. Now they are cut off desperate breaking. UN forces are moving up from Pusan and moving in land from Inchon pincers are closing. The DPRK is loosing. Were the UN supposed to stop because China a supposedly outside party doesn’t like it?
People will point at the Gulf war, Yet really that Bush sr. Had stopped was controversial. And decades ahead. Vietnam was decades later. The 38th isn’t the Boarder with China it’s the line at the middle of the peninsula that de facto divided ROK from DPRK.
Waiting to cross the Yalu? Where is your evidence of that? Where was penetration into China Proper? McAuthur might have wanted to but it was his Boss who was to make the call. The US was looking to be home for Christmas.
China didn’t join the war in October they joined it in June. They joined it in the planning stages when Mao supported Kim il Sung in his operations. When it became clear they had bet the wrong horse they launched operations. They wanted Hegemony, buffer states. The Communist version of Imperialism.

They were betting on a Comunist Peninsula. Instead the KPA was routed breaking down. The Chinese come in ethnic Koreans in their ranks are used to sire up the DPRK. The Volunteers are told attack. The general is unsure as he doesn’t have a support base. The UN command is overstretched thinking they have it won.
The UN takes losses not because they were looking to cross the Yalu but because they were at the edge of the supply line and were dreaming of Thanksgiving at home. Then all hell breaks loose.
As to MacArthur he was always a megalomaniac. His command was notoriously self center around MacArthur and though reports were coming in even captured Chinese deserters. He infamously claimed it as disinformation.
The line turns but it’s not a easy victory the Chinese take losses.
Grab the Americans by the Belt buckle is the propaganda order. Every enemy seems to try and for it they take substantial losses.

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It is Korean civil war nobody should get involve It is for the Korean to settle among themselves. It is not for outsider to get involve But US meddle in any other country just like she meddle in Vietnam and else where. The US bomb the border area and Dandong IF that is not agression and I don't know what. You try to defend that is not defensible . The fact is they end up where they started and that is win for UN I don't see any logic in there! So yes he is ignorant and hubris and you try to defend him get your fact straight before you start open your mouth!

It does not matter whether it is McArthur in 1950 or Hideyoshi in 1500's as soon as they show up in Yalu river it is declaration of war Apparently you didn't even watch the video where they say North east is where the bulk of Chinese Industry then so any enemy close to it is mortal danger and has to be avoided less China want to repeat the century of humiliation win or lost.

I am not even sure you get your fact straight North Korean troop was active in Chinese civil war and they do contribute to the fight against the Nationalist So when the korean war started these troop went back to Korea to fight the south I don't see anything wrong with that And they ARE NOT CHINESE TROOP!

Hendrik_2000 said:

It is Korean civil war nobody should get involve It is for the Korean to settle among themselves. It is not for outsider to get involve But US meddle in any other country just like she meddle in Vietnam and else where. The US bomb the border area and Dandong IF that is not agression and I don't know what. You try to defend that is not defensible . The fact is they end up where they started and that is win for UN I don't see any logic in there! So yes he is ignorant and hubris and you try to defend him get your fact straight before you start open your mouth!

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Technically speaking, the Chinese and Soviets did get involved, more so the Soviets. The USSR literally provided weapons and armaments to the North Koreans () and actually encouraged the North to invade (). The Chinese only agreed because the Soviets were directly helping North Korea.

LawLeadsToPeace said:

Technically speaking, the Chinese and Soviets did get involved, more so the Soviets. The USSR literally provided weapons and armaments to the North Koreans (

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) and actually encouraged the North to invade (

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). The Chinese only agreed because the Soviets were directly helping North Korea.

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You need to get your history straight before butting in The korean peninsula was divided between US and Russia after Japanese withdrawal So who is meddling whom here Isn't if for Korean themselve to decide their fate. YOU just pick and choose history to drive your agenda.Either of the korean want to reunify Korean under their rule. The Chinese does not get involve until North Korean got beaten and retreated to the border.It is the Soviet and not the Chinese that occupy north korea after Japan left

In 1950 the Korea Peninsula was divided between a Soviet-backed government in the north and an American-backed government in the south. The division of Korea into two halves had come at the end of World War II. In August of 1945 the Soviet Union invaded Korea, which had been under Japan's control since 1910. Fearing that the Soviets intended to seize the entire peninsula from their position in the north, the United States quickly moved its own troops into southern Korea. Japanese troops surrendered to the Russians in the north and to the Americans in the south. In an effort to avoid a long-term decision regarding Korea's future, the United States and the Soviet Union agreed to divide Korea temporarily along the 38th parallel, a latitudinal line that bisected the country. This line became more rigid after 1946, when Kim Il Sung organized a communist government in the north---the Democratic People's Republic. Shortly after, nationalist exile Syngman Rhee returned to Korea and set up a rival government in the south---the Republic of Korea (ROK). Each government hoped to reunify the country under its own rule.

KenC said:

The Chinese leadership was a looking at 3 prongs attack against the newly established PRC , on the head from Korea, on the belly from Taiwan and on the feet from Vietnam (in tandem with colonial French). The Yalu river was the crossing point when the Japanese imperial army invaded north east China. So this is not an unfounded fear .

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The Japanese Imperial Army? You mean at the start of WW2. Korea that was gone.
The French were in no position to act against China. Hell the French had just moved from a Communist government. The ROK armored forces were armed with rifles Jeeps trucks and at most a couple left over Japanese guns. That threat didn’t emerge until after the war started. The US and UN forces stated the war demobilized. Landing craft had to be bought back from Japanese fishing crews. Bombers had to be refurbished from rusting where they had been left after the close of the war.
@Hendrik_2000 take a moment here and take your own advice. @LawLeadsToPeace is right. it was one side being backed to the Hilt (The DPRK)the other (the ROK) who was being held back. Had it been a Korean Civil war it wouldn’t have happened until decades later. Neither Side had the indigenous capabilities till post war. This was an Ideological war of the Cold War. The Domino theory was based off it.
You are correct that it was divided. Yet the US distrusted Rhea and wanted self determination for the Peninsula. Kim Refused to allow votes. The US tried to pawn Korea off on the UN but it never worked out. So the South was intentionally under armed. No tanks no Air Force. Equipment that was either relics of the Japanese or small numbers of rifles and infantry equipment supplied to at best a Police force.
The Communist supplied Tanks, Artillery, Fighters, Heavy weapons. Totally skewing the conflict one way.
With this situation even if the US had countered by shipping arms it wouldn’t matter because the DPRK had a cakewalk. The US became involved because first there were still US trainers in country. Second because if you actually believed what you were spouting you would realize that by so well arming the North it wasn’t a Civil war it was a war of Imperialism. A Proxy force sent to put the whole region into line. The Domino theory in practice.