JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread


shabi1

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I have to preface this by stating that all my knowledge of the JF-17 comes from DCS, and the consensus in those parts about the gun is "pretend it isn't there." They also claim that the engine has long spool-up times, is this true?
Their model is based on JF-17block-1. Block-2 got several tweaks including engine ones. Based on videos of JF-17 performances which have gotten more bolder over time it would be safe to assume the engine performance has improved as well. I witnessed live the most recent performance in Karachi this year JF-17 was pulling just as hard as F-16 and both performed back to back.
 

dankris

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Is Ukraine a Possible Buyer for Pakistani-Chinese JF-17 Block III Jet?


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Will China risk souring its relationship with Russia for a paltry jet sale to Ukraine? Don't forget JF-17's engines comes from either Russia (which is currently butting heads with Ukraine) or China, which has some interest in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex but also has a good relationship with Russia. For the Russians, it's one thing if China buys stuff from Ukraine for its own use, but it's another thing for China to sell stuff to Ukraine that it very likely will decide to use against Russia. If Pakistan decided to support the sale, I doubt their Chinese partner will be as enthusiastic.

For the sale to succeed smoothly, at the very least Pakistan/Ukraine needs to develop a replacement engine for the current Chinese one just in case China decided to retract its support after the sale under Russian pressure, provided if it even agreed in the first place. Russian engine is out of the equation just based on its current geopolitical situation with Ukraine.
 
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Mt1701d

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Will China risk souring its relationship with Russia for a paltry jet sale to Ukraine? Don't forget JF-17's engines comes from either Russia (which is currently butting heads with Ukraine) or China, which has some interest in the Ukrainian military-industrial complex but also has a good relationship with Russia. For the Russians, it's one thing if China buys stuff from Ukraine for its own use, but it's another thing for China to sell stuff to Ukraine that it very likely will decide to use against Russia. If Pakistan decided to support the sale, I doubt their Chinese partner will be as enthusiastic.

For the sale to succeed smoothly, at the very least Pakistan/Ukraine needs to develop a replacement engine for the current Chinese one just in case China decided to retract its support after the sale under Russian pressure, provided if it even agreed in the first place. Russian engine is out of the equation just based on its current geopolitical situation with Ukraine.
I think there is an argument to be made for both sides... the Russians might not be too enthusiastic but I don’t think they will be particularly against it either, think about it, Ukraine will be buying something from someone, in this case whilst the JF-17 is an ok jet for the money but it is by no means state of the art. It’s better than Ukraine buying from the West and forging stronger ties and dependence.

The specifications of the jet is basically controlled by China, whilst there are some upgrades from Pakistan, and other third party equipment, the two countries, CHN and PAK, still have to work together to build, improve and maintain the things. Further all the information the Russians would need is with their ‘good ally’ right now. The jets performance and limitations will be thoroughly known by the Russians where they will know what to expect, can plan and be ready to face it.

I think the better question would be, would Ukraine risk their main adversary having a complete and thorough understanding of their potential national defence equipment.
 

ansy1968

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HI Deino

Correct, UKraine will only buy Western equipment or ingenious. They dont have the fund, and their political system is under the US influence.
I mean just recently the IMF just approve a new loan package to help them repay their previous loan from western bank. They are being fleece dry, all under the banner of democracy. Sorry for the rant;)
 

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