JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[thunderchief]

Political considerations aside , JF-17 air intakes would have to be heavily modified to accommodate EJ2000 . Dimensions are different , bypass ratio is different etc ...

 

[Blackstone]

With Pakistan's experience with western and American hardware, I would think that the PAF top brass would appreciate that raw performance figures and costs are not the only, or even primary, consideration.

Admittedly the PAF would not have much confidence that the RD93s the JF17 currently uses are sanction proof, but I would think that if a Chinese engine with similar performance as the RD93 was ready and available, that the PAF would consider it preferable to EJ2000s even with worse performance...

So does that suggests WS13x isn't a viable choice to replace RD93x for unacceptably poor performance or quality issues?

 

[plawolf]

So does that suggests WS13x isn't a viable choice to replace RD93x for unacceptably poor performance or quality issues?

Not really. Could just be Pakistan looking at ways to boost the JF17's international appeal in a bid to win export orders.

I think right now a lot of would be buyers are put off by the Russian engine, and since most of them won't have the same concerns as Pakistan wrt the importance of equipment to being sanction proof, an EJ2000 powerplant could just be the thing that clinches a deal.

 

[Zahid]

So does that suggests WS13x isn't a viable choice to replace RD93x for unacceptably poor performance or quality issues?

Certainly not. In fact, we can not wait to have WS-13. But there is NO news emerging about WS-13 in the last two years (or so). The last thing I read was that one of the FC-1 prototypes was powered by it and made some taxi runs. Perhaps some knowledgeable poster can tell us more, but I find the lack of any news about WS-13 very frustrating.

Engine power is JF-17 / FC-1 's Achilles heel. Number of hard points, load, even power for electronics is contingent upon it. We must have a more powerful engine to get more out of this design.

 

[Deino]

Come on guys ... the chance to see an EJ200 on the FC-1/JF-17 (and not from the technical point of view) is I would say the same as to see the Russian T50 powered by an US F135 from the F-35 !! Simply forget this option.

Deino

 

[Munir]

Come on guys ... the chance to see an EJ200 on the FC-1/JF-17 (and not from the technical point of view) is I would say the same as to see the Russian T50 powered by an US F135 from the F-35 !! Simply forget this option.

Deino

Deino, you are one of the most respected posters on several forums and admired by many senior posters everywhere. If you say that it is not an option them I do not see that as a joke or something stupid. But... I cannot share sources or secret facts but let us now move to AFM mag. February 2014 issue (I cannot and will not post anything here but there are forums where you can find illegal copies)... But I can refer to you page 64...

Air Cdre Khalid (The projectmanager JF17): "Regarding to future, yes, upcoming improvement might demand a more powerful engine. We are currently satisfied, but potential customersmay want another - like EJ200, which is a good engine."

now let us move to next parts...

"If a customer wants our design (JF17) but with that powerplant, we will negotiate"

So not yet EJ200 but it is an option.

I think this time mr Khalid is more reliable then anyone else.

 

[asif iqbal]

Regarding AFM and posting copies on SDF I think it's great I have done it before many times I don't think we should be so bureaucratic about these issues I am happy to share my copies for people to read many people are in country's where copies are not always available

Not only AFM but I have also shared Air International and Warship magazine

 

[Deino]

Deino, you are one of the most respected posters on several forums and admired by many senior posters everywhere. If you say that it is not an option them I do not see that as a joke or something stupid. But... I cannot share sources or secret facts but let us now move to AFM mag. February 2014 issue (I cannot and will not post anything here but there are forums where you can find illegal copies)... But I can refer to you page 64...

Air Cdre Khalid (The projectmanager JF17): "Regarding to future, yes, upcoming improvement might demand a more powerful engine. We are currently satisfied, but potential customersmay want another - like EJ200, which is a good engine."

now let us move to next parts...

"If a customer wants our design (JF17) but with that powerplant, we will negotiate"

So not yet EJ200 but it is an option.

I think this time mr Khalid is more reliable then anyone else.

Thanks for Your very kind words and I neither want to disrespect Mr. Khalid nor the possibility as such .... BUT - as especially mentioned in my post:

It might indeed be possible from the technical standpoint to integrate and it might even be possible to negotiate .... but IMO simply due to political reasons I see simply no chance that an EJ200 will be delivered to Pakistan or China for integration test for whatever customer.

This is what I meant.

Cheers, Deino

 

[Munir]

Thanks for Your very kind words and I neither want to disrespect Mr. Khalid nor the possibility as such .... BUT - as especially mentioned in my post:

It might indeed be possible from the technical standpoint to integrate and it might even be possible to negotiate .... but IMO simply due to political reasons I see simply no chance that an EJ200 will be delivered to Pakistan or China for integration test for whatever customer.

This is what I meant.

Cheers, Deino

Appreciated!

It is not the technical point (which is easy to verify looking at the dimensions (little shorter, little less diameter, less weight), fuel efficiency and thrust (around 50-80 vs 60-90) but the fact that some nations want a cheap plane but with some more power or with an engine they already posses. I heard this some months ago and the comment of mr Khalid was just confirming that. But it strikes me that he does not mention another engine but specifically the EJ200... Looking at which nations got the EF200 already and yes that nation asked for info about block 3... Surely it would not be send to China. And even if they will not send it not to Pakistan then it still can be added in the nation itself. I had the feeling that it was exactly was the plan. Surely I can be wrong. But there were many hints.

 

[chuck731]

Thanks for Your very kind words and I neither want to disrespect Mr. Khalid nor the possibility as such .... BUT - as especially mentioned in my post:

It might indeed be possible from the technical standpoint to integrate and it might even be possible to negotiate .... but IMO simply due to political reasons I see simply no chance that an EJ200 will be delivered to Pakistan or China for integration test for whatever customer.

This is what I meant.

Cheers, Deino

It is not inconceivable ej200 and empty JF-17 airframes can both be delivered to a third country for integration by that third country.