JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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wlchang

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I wonder how the engine issue was handled. It seems like nobody is complaining now.

On another note, the finishings of the JF-17 looks so much better than the J-10. Could it be because of cost-saving measures for J-10?
 

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Could be because that these particular FC-1s, knowingly intended to be used for official ceremony, are specially assembled by a crack unit of selected workers, while the J-10s are just mass produced.

The question remains whether mass production FC-1s are going to maintain the same fit and finish.
 

wlchang

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I recall seeing a few J-10s pics with better paintworks. So it's probably a matter of whether they want to incur the extra beautification cost.
 

crobato

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Some of the beautification are really just extra coats of primer plus putty used to hide the imperfections deeper. Happens all the time with air show aircraft.

Also the aircraft is new, so it does not have a lot of hand made dents on the aluminum alloy skin. Compare this with prototypes that had a lot of servicing, with panels opened and closed for servicing all the time, and get a lot of hand made dents as a result. Its like comparing a new car with an old car despite being the same model and coming out of the same production line.
 

Zahid

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Is it possible to speculate the rate of production of FC1 / JF17 keeping in mind the production facilities both in Pakistan and China?
 

IDonT

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It depends on the Russian Engines. Without it, your stuck with current 4. prototypes.
 

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It depends on the Russian Engines. Without it, your stuck with current 4. prototypes.

Actually that's an interesting issue. They have so far received at least 10 RD-93 out of the 100 that they signed. We know they were originally suppose to get 15 last year and 20 this year, so the question is whether they have received more. So, outside of the first 4 prototypes, they can theoretically build more than 10 JF-17s. Another question is what the Russians are going to do now that the engines are going to PAF JF-17s? Cut off the supply? It's an extremely interesting development from what I can see.
 

keysersoze

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Actually that's an interesting issue. They have so far received at least 10 RD-93 out of the 100 that they signed. We know they were originally suppose to get 15 last year and 20 this year, so the question is whether they have received more. So, outside of the first 4 prototypes, they can theoretically build more than 10 JF-17s. Another question is what the Russians are going to do now that the engines are going to PAF JF-17s? Cut off the supply? It's an extremely interesting development from what I can see.

TP I think that the whole thing is a colossal bluff on the part of the Russians. Unless we hear of a Russian delegation arriving in Pak demanding to look at the engines of the JF-17, I think it is fair to say that the full number of engines will be delivered to China.
If it is not a bluff, what are the likely avenues for the Russians? Cancel the order and lose the money (With no great dramas for the main export customer because they will simply get the second batch with the Chinese engines).
 

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According to this.

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The original plan was to make 400 fighters, of which Pakistan will buy 150 and China will buy 250.

I'm not sure if that is any different from other earlier plans that I have heard.
 

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The original plan was to make 400 fighters, of which Pakistan will buy 150 and China will buy 250.

I'm not sure if that is any different from other earlier plans that I have heard.
Does the PLAAF even want this aircraft? It already has the hi (J11) and low (J10) aircraft mix.

Perhaps to replaced the Q-5, J-8 in the ground attack role?
 
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