Schumacher
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If not for political reasons, I'd think JF-17 would also be a good upgrade/replacement candidate for users of F-16A/B and F-5s.
JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
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MastanKhan
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Hi,
A couple of weeks or so ago when the news came out that the french won't go ahead with their avionics package sale to pakistan---it was also stated that one of the reason behind that was that it would put the Jf 17 on the same level as the Mirage 2000-9 upgrade.
If there is any truth to that news---then the JF 17 is way beyond mirage F1----what do you think.
Pakistan had the choice of getting used mirage F 1's and then upgrading them to their standards in the earlier part of 2000----but didnot see any benefit in going that way.
Miragedriver
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Yes the F-1 is rather long in the tooth, and it did lose to the F-16 in the European competition sometime in the 1980’s.
If the JF-17 could have an avionics package similar to Mirage 2000-9 it would be (in my opinion) a better aircraft than the Mirage. With all things being equal in the BVR and standout missile ability, the JF-17 would have the advantage in a close in dogfight. The Mirage has difficulty bleeding off excess energy due to the tailless delta wing. Even with canards the turning radius of the JF-17 is better (and less expensive).
Thanks for the info!
If the JF-17 could have an avionics package similar to Mirage 2000-9 it would be (in my opinion) a better aircraft than the Mirage. With all things being equal in the BVR and standout missile ability, the JF-17 would have the advantage in a close in dogfight. The Mirage has difficulty bleeding off excess energy due to the tailless delta wing. Even with canards the turning radius of the JF-17 is better (and less expensive).
Thanks for the info!
Londo Molari
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Well it is a bluff call basically but till the Indian MRCA tender does not gets finalized. Once its done, then we will see, plus there are news also about rivalry among Thales and Dassault Aviation. Thales wishes to upgrade the Indian Mirage2Ks, while Dassault may be trying to sell India the M2Ks of some Arab nation, Qatari and UAEs i believe, so they withhold the deal to get as much larger share of the pie as they can.
But what happened in Pakistan was, but not in retaliation to JF-17 avionics deal setback, the supreme court of Pakistan has suspended a contract of about 24B US$ given to a French company for supply of LPG for next 20 years, so with this deal on hold and JF-17 avionics deal withheld by France itself, ultimately France has become the loser in this whole saga. So to safe their arses and let pakistan know that they are still interested in the avionics deal, they have come up with this new thingy as they had said that it was due to finances and now they are telling we can provide some of the finances. Typical french
By the way, people are happy if this deal goes down, even many in PAF are, as the Italians and Chinese options are more viable and doable.
It didn't say anything regarding RC-400 and Mica Missiles..
All I see is the guarantee of refurbish 3 Agusta Submarines with France finance.
Keep yr finger cross at the moment.
ATE and Astrac (a joint venture between Thales and Safran) were the ones who were gonna provide avionics and ATE is basically the integrator of the systems provided by Astrac.
400-500M euros would be for Safran and Thales, while another 200M can be provided for up gradation of Agosta Subs, thus the total package may become around 700M, IF exercised by Pakistan.
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Miragedriver
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Thank you for the information. The incorporation of French avionics in the JF-17 will make it a very capable aircraft, and more palatable for countries currently utilizing Mirage’s
I am interested to hear (any opinions from forum members) on how the export French avionic suite compares to the PLAAR avionics package?
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