JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[PeoplesPoster]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Which I still stand by my statement JF-17, the purpose of the fighter is mean't to be cheap mass produce fighter. Aimed as low cost solution to replace large obsolete forces, and also an alternate source of fighters as to Western and Russian fighters. If its a stealth variant then the price will increase, so will the level in maintanance, complexity of operation.

But then you run into the situation where you're replacing obsolete fighters with an slightly less obsolete fighter. Where as if some basic RCS techniques are applied the plane might have a longer span of relevance.

 

[Lion]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

But then you run into the situation where you're replacing obsolete fighters with an slightly less obsolete fighter. Where as if some basic RCS techniques are applied the plane might have a longer span of relevance.

JF-17 compare to J-7PG is a big step rather than just slightly less obsolete fighter..

Less than USD20 million. You get

-Data link
-BVRAAM capability
-more hardpoints(Meaning you can carry more ordinance)
-higher payload(more fuel,more weapon)
-longer range(High combat radius)
-lower RCS compare to F-7
-Shorter take off and more agile plane
-better air to ground capabilities to F-7PG
-bigger nose cone to house bigger and powerful radar

 

[plawolf]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

But then you run into the situation where you're replacing obsolete fighters with an slightly less obsolete fighter. Where as if some basic RCS techniques are applied the plane might have a longer span of relevance.

'Obsolete' compared to what? Not everyone will be flying F22s and in many parts of the world, a JF17 will be more then sufficient.

 

[Deino]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

:china:

 

[Munir]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

JF-17 compare to J-7PG is a big step rather than just slightly less obsolete fighter..

Less than USD20 million. You get

-Data link
-BVRAAM capability
-more hardpoints(Meaning you can carry more ordinance)
-higher payload(more fuel,more weapon)
-longer range(High combat radius)
-lower RCS compare to F-7
-Shorter take off and more agile plane
-better air to ground capabilities to F-7PG
-bigger nose cone to house bigger and powerful radar

better avionics...
HMS
IFR
ECM

 

[PeoplesPoster]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

'Obsolete' compared to what? Not everyone will be flying F22s and in many parts of the world, a JF17 will be more then sufficient.

Yea, but who is Pakistan's main competitor in the region? India. And what will India be flying in the future? SU-27, JSF, Pak-50?

 

[Roger604]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

But then you run into the situation where you're replacing obsolete fighters with an slightly less obsolete fighter. Where as if some basic RCS techniques are applied the plane might have a longer span of relevance.

Okay folks, old J-7s will NOT be replaced by aircraft as the whole point of covering China with HQ-9 serves the exact same role played by the old J-7s. In other words, J-7s have been replaced by SAM.

 

[HKSDU]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

But then you run into the situation where you're replacing obsolete fighters with an slightly less obsolete fighter. Where as if some basic RCS techniques are applied the plane might have a longer span of relevance.

So all nations that just purchased F-16, F-18 are wasting their money cause its obsolete compared to another fighter? No matter how un-obsolete fighter you think you have there will be a bigger player over the horizon which will throw you off the thrown eventually. JF-17 is suited enough to deal with defending the skies of Pakistan. In BVRAAM it is just as capable as what India has in its arsenal. Lowering RCS will once again increase cost, in which JF-17 is meant to be "LOW COST FIGHTER."

Yea, but who is Pakistan's main competitor in the region? India. And what will India be flying in the future? SU-27, JSF, Pak-50?

Its not about want, need, desire and so forth but about efficiency, doctrine, budget, terrain and integration. I doubt if you give something like F-22 to Pakistan it ain't gonna do too much good since it doesn't have the budget for repairs, regular maintenance, training, engine overhauls, logistic incompatibility. India doesn't have any of the fighter you mentioned, its current most strongest fighter is Su-30, in which is a heavy class fighter, while the JF-17 is light weight class fighter.

 

[rhino123]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Yea, but who is Pakistan's main competitor in the region? India. And what will India be flying in the future? SU-27, JSF, Pak-50?

It would always be a dream to many in the fighter world to own and operate Stealth Capable fighters like the JSF and F-22... also the recently revealed T-50. However to change the entire airforce fighters squadrons to these top-notch fighters are something in the realm of impossible. Like many had pointed out, it simply is not possible given the budget of Pakistan... buying these planes are one thing, maintenance, repair and stuff like that is another thing.

Also although India did operate the excellent Su-30, but I doubt this fighter represent the entire airforce of which most are still Mig-21BIS or older fighters. Thus Pakistan is still okay to operate the FC-1 or JF-17. And if I am not wrong, Pakistan will also be flying the J-10 in near future, which will more or less give her a good mixture of mid and high range of fighters.

 

[Lion]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Yea, but who is Pakistan's main competitor in the region? India. And what will India be flying in the future? SU-27, JSF, Pak-50?

Given Russian current state and India notorious HAL development. I doubt PAF-KA will really be flying and be operational in the next decade.


Despite the hype of prototype flying, the road to operational unit is very very long. Look at MIG 1.44 and Su-47.. What kind of status are they now, although these prototypes have been already been exist much earlier than PAF-KA.