J-35A fighter (PLAAF) + FC-31 thread

[Alfa_Particle]

speaking of this, is there another plane that can use PL-17s that's in service right now?

Probably the J-15T?

Edit: and of course the J-20.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Source?

 

[iewgnem]

Egypt switches camps.

Think about it, J10c is not sufficient, may as well get the whole package at once, including J35a on military aid.

Another news, the Egyptian reports 泰达 （Sino-Egypt Development Zone) gets another 10 sq km of land for industrial use.

It's going to be tricky and frankly unlikely, Egypt's current western jets are entirely useless against Israel at the software level, just the act of acquiring Chinese tech would give them a quantum leap in their ability to actually threaten Israeli aircraft, and as such makes it a diplomatic and political war first and foremost. To also obtain J-35 and actually allow Egypt to win against Israel will be something that's not politically realistic without major push from Beijing.

 

[antiterror13]

Probably the J-15T?

Edit: and of course the J-20.

J-20 definitely can, but likely external which may not an issue as it can be fired at a very long distance

 

[mond]

H-6?

If the J-16's primary function is going to be reduced to firing stand-off or super long range weapons, do you really need that many of them when the PLAAF also have the H-6s that does that?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the effective use of stand-off weapons like anti-ship missiles necessitate very large volleys, i.e. saturation fires? I imagine that would be a situation where you would want hundreds of platforms in the air at the same time. It seems to me that something like the H6 is simply not numerous enough, and it would not be economical to produce it in large numbers. The H6 is also not optimized for the A2/AD task in my understanding, it would be overkill in terms of e.g. fuel capacity, and underperforms in speed. A platform like the J16 which has sufficient range and payload, which does not need to make aerodynamic compromises for stealth, and is comparatively cheap to produce with minimal investment/retooling overhead seems like the best solution.

 

[AndrewS]

With the proper tactics J-16 can be used effectively against fifth gen. It is proven during one of the exercises. Took the pilots two sleepless nights to workout a tactic but it worked.

Sure, but it's a lot better to mostly have 5th gen fighters in front. With a modest number of J-16 just to launch PL-17.

After that first volley of PL-17, the J-20 in front should be within PL-15 range.

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So instead of expanding Flanker airframe production from 40? to 100 per year, I think that money would be better spent on capabilities to destroy opposing stealth fighters on the ground.

 

[Expert1324]

There are two important points, considering the next 10 years.

China isnt seeking parity with US, its seeking overwhelming dominance in its backyard, so that when reunification does occur, US decides to sit it out, it immediately looses the global soft power or if it doesnt, it looses the pacific front very blatantly and clearly, not some stalemate fight, no ifs and buts and looses the hard power. You get one shot at at being the top dawg in hard power, so you can dismantle the soft power behind the legacy power and IMO, that shot increasingly seems to be inflecting towards reunification.

Thats not going to happen just with 1,300 J-20s surrounded by ~2.5k+ F-35s (+ 1-2k CCAs).

Thats going to happened with 1300 J-20s, 700-800 J-35s, and 3k CCAs.

I know this is super simplistic scenario, but the crux of the matter is J-20 production alone will not be enough to catch up to opposition 5th gen numbers. Hence, J-35 comes into play.

China caught up in tech but it was still late to the party, now, its in phase of catching up in fielding the right numbers.

Again, Im referring to end point scenario of total and utter dominance in its backyard. It is critical because it is needed to dismantle the soft power that will be used to hobble and constrict the economy if things end up somewhere in stalemate scenario. The win has to be so overwhelming that it redraws global politics, that India, Japan, Korea, Phillipines, ~Australia, they all start singing peaceful co-existence with neighbours and break the perceived shackles of outsiders. US isnt defending Taiwan, its decided that this is the hill they'll stake their soft and hard power vis a vis China.

Power is relative.

In that case the need of a jumbo C939 frying pan AEWC cannot be understated. Dont understand why this isnt on the roadmap yet, this would leapfrog the Y20B one.

Recent events just further proved the importance of AEWC in modern air combat.

Speaking of which, since AEWC bigger = better, I'm curious why europe isn't utilising the A350 and A380 platform for AEWC, would even be a more sophisticated command center than their ground offices and HQ. This is invaluable in contingency scenarios, which for the Americans, they would rather go way overkill than underprepared, which is a doctrine I can get behind.

 

[latenlazy]

In that case the need of a jumbo C939 frying pan AEWC cannot be understated. Dont understand why this isnt on the roadmap yet, this would leapfrog the Y20B one.

Recent events just further proved the importance of AEWC in modern air combat.

Speaking of which, since AEWC bigger = better, I'm curious why europe isn't utilising the A350 and A380 platform for AEWC, would even be a more sophisticated command center than their ground offices and HQ. This is invaluable in contingency scenarios, which for the Americans, they would rather go way overkill than underprepared, which is a doctrine I can get behind.

Look up KJ-3000

 

[Tomboy]

In that case the need of a jumbo C939 frying pan AEWC cannot be understated. Dont understand why this isnt on the roadmap yet, this would leapfrog the Y20B one.

Recent events just further proved the importance of AEWC in modern air combat.

Speaking of which, since AEWC bigger = better, I'm curious why europe isn't utilising the A350 and A380 platform for AEWC, would even be a more sophisticated command center than their ground offices and HQ. This is invaluable in contingency scenarios, which for the Americans, they would rather go way overkill than underprepared, which is a doctrine I can get behind.

kJ-3000 is already by far the largest AEWC aircraft ever built, some say in has a radome diameter of ~15m which is even larger than the ~14m for KJ-2000 all the while being dual faced. There is no practical reason to make anything larger without risking putting all your eggs in one bag as such a platform would be extremely expensive which probably is also why Europe isn't looking to build a mega-awac.

PS: E-3 has a radome diameter of only 9 meters while the new E-7 has a antenna length of only 10.8 meters while the KJ-3000 likely has a antenna 15 meters long

 

[siegecrossbow]

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OG poster of the first production J-35A insists it is not for Pakistan. Guess that makes @Deino happy.