J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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bladerunner

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Bltizo said:
(Also, actively guided BVRAAMs might not be effective against stealthy targets simply because of the small RCS for them to home in on.
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Sometime back I came across an article suggesting the way to track stealth planes, was to pinpoint the air disturbances. I dont know if the idea "had any legs" though
 
cloyce

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I think long range ramjet LRAAMs like Meteor or PL-21 will be very usefull in taking down AWACS, Tankers and other big-slow and/or not very stealthy platforms.
But in a J-20 vs F-22 scenario, current AMRAAMs will be enough.
Even with a state of the art radar, you need to come atleast within 50km range to start to see your opponent.
 
bladerunner

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Subedei said:
I'm quite excited!

When this platform is fully operational -and, I'm betting that will be in 5 short years, and not 8 long years, it will be the first time in almost 3 centuries that a major Chinese miliatry platform is either technologically equal, or surperior to, those of European nations. With the budgetary constraints currently limiting European military spending, I doubt that either Saab, Dassault, or: Alenia Aeronautica; BAE Systems; and EADS (together as Eurofighter), or even ALL of these together, will be able to develop -and produce- an aircraft at the levels of sophistication that the USA, Russia, and now China, are now putting into production.
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Why would they want to, they havent even got the F-35JSF yet. On the other hand theoretically Germany has the money to develop another plane
 
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Martian

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Comparing overhead views of China's J-20 and U.S. F-22

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Would you say there's a passing resemblance between the wing-shape of the J-20 and the F-22?

Some have criticized the J-20's wing-shape for not being lambda. However, if the diamond wing-shape is adequate for the F-22 then shouldn't it be good enough for the J-20?
 
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Re: Comparing overhead views of China's J-20 and U.S. F-22

Martian said:
http://i.imgur.com/3jOjB.jpg

Would you say there's a passing resemblance between the wing shape of the J-20 and the F-22?
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Obviously another blatant Chinese copy. They must have used tracing paper when drawing the blue-prints!

Seriously though, I think there's going to be a passing resemblance for all the latest stealth designs. At least China has a unique take on it by foregoing the traditional control surfaces and going with a delta/canard. Actually the T-50's wings look even more similar to the F-22.
 
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Re: Comparing overhead views of China's J-20 and U.S. F-22

Martian said:
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Would you say there's a passing resemblance between the wing shape of the J-20 and the F-22?
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I suppose there is, but there's a larger resemblance between the PAK FA and the F-22 imo.
 
kwaigonegin

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Subedei said:
It looks like CAC chose not to intergrate the engines into the airframe as in F-22 and TU-50. I wonder if this was because they were not capable of this level of sophistication, or if they found that it was not necessary for stealth capabilities.

From the size of this airframe, I'm beggining to believe that this platform will be dedicated first to carrier killing. I assume that it is designed to be stealthy enough to evade detection by Aegis, Hawkeye, and F-35 radars, large enough to carry long-range ASMs, and superior to the F-35s in both the BVR and dog-fighting capacities of the air-superiority domain. Coupled with the, now operational, DF-21, this could signal the end of US carrier operations in the -from the US perspective- western Pacific.

Very interesting!!!
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While I admire your enthusiasm I think you're reaching a lil bit. In my humble opinion China at this very moment does not possess any kind of surefire carrier killing weapon system. While the DF-21D development certainly has sped up in recent years I do not think it has been deployed operationally yet. I'm quite sure they are still in the testing phase.
Thus far we have not heard or seen any definitive test of the DF-21D over water yet. As for this plane I would hold judgement until I see it fly and perform.
At present moment short of having a brute force strike package consisting of hundreds of planes/ASMs and submarines/missiles/torpedoes etc any surgical strike by a lone or small number of aircraft on a CBG is suicide.
 
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Re: Comparing overhead views of China's J-20 and U.S. F-22

Martian said:
3jOjB.jpg


Would you say there's a passing resemblance between the wing-shape of the J-20 and the F-22?

Some have criticized the J-20's wing-shape for not being lambda. However, if the diamond wing-shape is adequate for the F-22 then shouldn't it be good enough for the J-20?
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I thought we already determined that the wingshape was fllat delta???
 
Subedei

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At present moment short of having a brute force strike package consisting of hundreds of planes/ASMs and submarines/missiles/torpedoes etc any surgical strike by a lone or small number of aircraft on a CBG is suicide.
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Don't remember suggesting either that China currently possessed carrier killer abilities, or that a small number of or a lone J-20's be used in an anti- carrier strike. You might conflating my words with those of others who've responded to my tactical suggestions.

Additionally, as I've already argued, neither have we seen any of the CBG's vaunted defenses tested against a layered, coherent, and synthesized assault, have we now? Yet, we assume that they all work exactly as planned?
 
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