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It could be more than one J-20 fighting a group of J-10 or J-11.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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It could be more than one J-20 fighting a group of J-10 or J-11.
@Bltizo ... at the PDF our "special friend" - Yes, the one with the hyper-powerful "+210kN WS-15 from day-one" theory has another brilliant idea:
He found an article where a certain blogger proposes the J-20 is using Virtual Reality or Augmented Reality technologies for its HMD. He also explores the possibility that J-20 is able to read the pilot's mind to carry out his commands, in addition, with inputs from his hands.
Deino
Definitely sounds like the "aliens" have shared the technology from "Roswell with the Chinese??" Sounds like another F-22 in the making?? guess the Russians aren't quite as far along in their humanities class?? LOL
Did he say whether it had a "cloaking device"?
The 10 to 1 ratio is simply "rhetorical speak" for vastly superior to Chinese 3rd gen aircraft, just as USAF/LockMart touted the F-35's 30 to 1 ratio. In other words the J-20 is vastly superior, and offers stealth as well as kinematic superiority over their 3rd gen, (our 4th gen) aircraft.
Not hard to believe, and no doubt the J-20 is always going to have an overwhelming advantage over everbody's last generation aircraft,,,, why I'm having a SPAZ-ATTACK over the Navy buying the F-18, and holding the F-35C back,,,,,, its NOT SMART, the J-20 is a formidable adversary that everyone better take very seriously! SERIOUSLY! I'm not being sarcastic or kissing butt, this is a serious airplane, built by very serious people, not smoke and mirrors, its a real live 5 gen aircraft!
manqiangrexue
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I really don't think they just make up numbers for how superior they feel in comparison to last gen. I think 10:0 means that in an exercise or in a typical exercise, J-20 team shot down all 10 adversaries without taking loss. Due to missile limit, it may not mean that 1 J-20 achieved this. Maybe they did 10 J-10/11 vs. 2 J-20 and the J-20 got them all. That's my take.
Absolutely agree with your 110% here Mangi, and why I've emphasized the J-20's L/O and kinematic excellence and superiority in situational awareness, it could also take into account that the J-20 may have the ability to launch weapons off other platforms as the F-35???
I still think there is a strong possibility, albeit not a probability, that something happened with the J-20 or the missile technology and the J-20 can now load 10 A2A missiles. It's nothing compared to American micro-missiles, however, which purportedly can allow even the F-35 to load 12 missiles into its internal bay.
Considering the basic J-20 load-out is 4 BVR AAMs in its primary bay and 2 WVR AAMs in its side bays, the figure of 10:0 as opposed to 12:0 or 11:0 is very strange. We need further clarification on the missile load-out of t he J-20. Alternately, it's possible it's as others have proposed: the J-20 has guns, and the J-20 shot down its opponents with guns.
As for a third possibility, we know the J-20 has jamming capabilities, the potential to load missiles on its wings, as well as the largest fighter radar in the PLAAF. Could it be possible that the J-20 had an external loadout?
That said: the possibility that the J-20's internal load-out is greater than anticipated is something we should consider and investigate.
Edit: Fighter radar, not radar: AEW&C are a thing.
Considering the basic J-20 load-out is 4 BVR AAMs in its primary bay and 2 WVR AAMs in its side bays, the figure of 10:0 as opposed to 12:0 or 11:0 is very strange. We need further clarification on the missile load-out of t he J-20. Alternately, it's possible it's as others have proposed: the J-20 has guns, and the J-20 shot down its opponents with guns.
As for a third possibility, we know the J-20 has jamming capabilities, the potential to load missiles on its wings, as well as the largest fighter radar in the PLAAF. Could it be possible that the J-20 had an external loadout?
That said: the possibility that the J-20's internal load-out is greater than anticipated is something we should consider and investigate.
Edit: Fighter radar, not radar: AEW&C are a thing.
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and, I've got no problem with that either Inst,,, possibly on pylons?? or down the centerline?? or tucked up between the wings and nacelles?? I really am not in a position to take serious issue with you, cause I just don't know??
manqiangrexue
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I also wouldn't take this 10:0 talk as an end-all-be-all result either. The way exercises happen inevitably heavily favors the stealth fighter because stealth fighters excel at first detection and lock on. In this game, as soon as this occurs, it's over and the 4th gen is considered downed. But in a real fight, the stealth fighter would have to lock on then fire, at least 2 missiles usually (instead of 1 in the simulation since they get automatic kill) to hope to get a kill. The 4th gen's MAWS would blare off and it would immediately use electronic countermeasures, chaff, flares, and evasive maneuvering to doge the missiles. If it succeeds, even if it doesn't, its team may get an idea from the missile of where the 5th gen is and head there full afterburner to try to catch it on close range radar or even get a visual. If that goes well, it becomes a nasty knife fight and the 5th gens could be outnumbered and in trouble. So 10:0 is a good result for J-20, but I'm not confident that this level of success would be reproduced in a real conflict.
This is where supercruise can come in handy though.
No doubt it would come in handy, but until this bird is powered by the WS-15 or similar powerplant, that's kinda pie in the sky??
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