Sorry, but to think JDW on Chinese Aviation matters is a reliable source is really a good joke !
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Sorry, but to think JDW on Chinese Aviation matters is a reliable source is really a good joke !
Well if 2002 really is off to Yanliang I'm sure it won't be long until we see 2003.
I was quite surprised 2002 left so early, it seems like only a few months ago since we first saw it... Hopefully they give the radar and avionics a good work out over there
I was quite surprised 2002 left so early, it seems like only a few months ago since we first saw it... Hopefully they give the radar and avionics a good work out over there
This Jane's article is absolute rubbish. No twin engined STOVL aircraft can be as safe as a single engined one. And single engined STOVLs are already dubious. If they can't prevent publishing this we can ignore everything they publish.
Kurt
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I beg to differ on this one. The depicted aircraft could be a design similar to the Yak 38 that looks like a twin engine aircraft and has actually three engines. The Yak-38 is not the best of possible constructions for STOVL, but was achieveable with available means to enter this field.
This plane isn't similar to the Yak-38. That aircraft as shown by the drawing had two jet pipes for the single propulsion/lift engine well forward of the tail and with two lift engines just abaft the cockpit so the thrust necessary for balance around the left-right axis is much less than for this plane. Besides this plane shows two propulsion engines so has twice the chance of an engine failure. I can't accept the Yak-38 configuration as defensible, but this plane would be much worse as a STOVL plane.
Kurt
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Delft, I simply can't conclude as much information as you do from the tiny image in Jane's. The image in Jane's can be a STOVL design without twin engines. It can also use internal pressure and airflow exchange in between combustion chamber outlet and nozzles, negating much of the postulated negative regulation effects of two engines at a loss of efficiency.
Yes, the posted image of the Yak is from wikipedia, it very well highlights a very simple information on less known options for STOVL design.
Christ i can't believe that rubbish. That's the picture of that J-20 RC model that surfaced few days ago! How on earth it became a STOVL prototype??! It's mad, it's pathetic! And when you think big money are being paid to actually write such crap, and some actually pay big money to buy it!
kwaigonegin
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........... and it could also be a plastic toy plane hanging from my kid's ceiling taken with a $3 wal mart toy camera from my neighbor's balcony.... but see that's the entire point.. I seriously doubt the author/s at JDW knows anymore than we do.. most likely less. If what they assumed is true or even an educated guess than they had better based their assumptions on something a LOT clearer and meaningful than that picture! Fact is they didn't or if they did, then they were disingenuous and shame on them for not posting said picture which led to their possible conclusions about China's STOVL program.
Instead they posted 'that' particular picture and wrote an associated article underneath it. Not sure to be mad or sad.. maybe a lil of both.
Either way their credibility is shot.
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