J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

jobjed

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The two eventuals deals for 48 Su-33 and 48 Su-30MKK2/3 was canceled also coz russians discover the J-11B...

I doubt it. Russia wants to sell more than China wants to buy. Russia was not going to cancel multi-billion dollar deals out of spite but China was certainly willing to opt for cheaper alternatives in light of skyhigh Russian prices.
 

Richard Santos

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I doubt it. Russia wants to sell more than China wants to buy. Russia was not going to cancel multi-billion dollar deals out of spite but China was certainly willing to opt for cheaper alternatives in light of skyhigh Russian prices.


It all depends on whether the Russians believe they stand to lose more by not selling to the Chinese, or by selling to the Chinese and thereby enabling the Chinese to undercut them in their other markets.

It also depends on whether the Russians are short of funds now and need money now at whatever cost to their future sales prospects, or if they have enough funding for the time being and can take a more prudent approach to protecting their future sales positions around the world.

It has become clear that Russian hardware are increasingly uncompetitive around the world. So there is ever diminishing prospects of other markets for the Chinese to undercut. So this makes china undercutting them in the ever diminishing non-Chinese market for Russia hardwares a lesser concern than perhaps it might have been 10 or 15 years ago. This puts china is ever stronger position to imsist the Russians sell whatever secrets they have to the Chinese while these secrets still has value to the Chinese, for they no longer have much value otherwise.
 
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by78

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Newly released photo of J-15 #114

(1500 x 1027)
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fatfreddy

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It all depends on whether the Russians believe they stand to lose more by not selling to the Chinese, or by selling to the Chinese and thereby enabling the Chinese to undercut them in their other markets.

It also depends on whether the Russians are short of funds now and need money now at whatever cost to their future sales prospects, or if they have enough funding for the time being and can take a more prudent approach to protecting their future sales positions around the world.

It has become clear that Russian hardware are increasingly uncompetitive around the world. So there is ever diminishing prospects of other markets for the Chinese to undercut. So this makes china undercutting them in the ever diminishing non-Chinese market for Russia hardwares a lesser concern than perhaps it might have been 10 or 15 years ago. This puts china is ever stronger position to imsist the Russians sell whatever secrets they have to the Chinese while these secrets still has value to the Chinese, for they no longer have much value otherwise.
Thats a good point and one I have been posting on other chat groups. This is equally applicable to other technologies which EU and North America has refused to sell to China. The danger is that their IP becomes valueless when China is forced to develop their own and actually develops something more powerful and cheaper. The Space Station is one example. The supercomputers are another. There are many others. Sales of chip design and production companies are also blocked. So China will be forced to develop their own. Looking at the fastest supercomputers in the world now, it won't take long become before China builds their own indigenous technologies and plants.
 
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