J-10 Thread IV

guanyu158

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In a CCTV interview, a maintenance person said that j10 cannot be washed by water jet because water might get inside and damage the internal or make internal structure rusty. It really makes people doubt about J10's quality. I saw some videos of washing f16 and f15 with water jet. Looks like there is no such concern.
 

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In a CCTV interview, a maintenance person said that j10 cannot be washed by water jet because water might get inside and damage the internal or make internal structure rusty. It really makes people doubt about J10's quality. I saw some videos of washing f16 and f15 with water jet. Looks like there is no such concern.
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A person washing a jet like the F16 has to wear a full hazmat-suit with its air source to protect himself from the hazardous cleaning materials. The anti-corrosion fluid used in the cleaning can cause damage to the lungs, and even prove to be carcinogenic. The soap is also strong enough to strip off the skin of your hands quickly.
The cleaning begins with spraying the anti-corrosion fluid on the airplane and then cleaning it with a hose of clean water. Then, it is cleaned with a sponge, large brush, and tiny tools which are the size of a toothbrush.
 

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In a CCTV interview, a maintenance person said that j10 cannot be washed by water jet because water might get inside and damage the internal or make internal structure rusty. It really makes people doubt about J10's quality. I saw some videos of washing f16 and f15 with water jet. Looks like there is no such concern.
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guanyu158

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I think we all know F22 requires extra care.

But I'm more interested in F16 or F15, both are gen 4, same as j10. I just wonder how they overcome it with F15 and F16.

I can understand that chemical is required to clean those tough stains. But after that, water jet is used to wash the jet clean. Here is a video of washing F16. Water jet is used after cleaning.

 

siegecrossbow

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I think we all know F22 requires extra care.

But I'm more interested in F16 or F15, both are gen 4, same as j10. I just wonder how they overcome it with F15 and F16.

I can understand that chemical is required to clean those tough stains. But after that, water jet is used to wash the jet clean. Here is a video of washing F16. Water jet is used after cleaning.

Power washers have minimized our vehicle washing problems; they work perfectly to wash cars or trucks. However, the super robust aircraft is a tad fragile to be cleaned with a power washer. A person washing a jet like the F16 has to wear a full hazmat-suit with its air source to protect himself from the hazardous cleaning materials.

The chemical is not there for tough stains. The article explicitly states that they are used for waterproofing purposes. You can’t high pressure hose a jet fighter until the solution has been applied.

Either way, we’ve seen numerous images/videos of the J-10 taking off under heavy rainfall conditions. I don’t understand what the fuss is if it doesn’t affect the plane operationally.
 
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All metals are subjected to corrosion, especially after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years of usage. Cars, jets, trains, bridges, telephone poles all suffer corrosion.

What caused the corrosion on J10 may not be water. Contaminates, salt or sand could be the culprit. Mositure is the agent for causing corrosive substance seeping into an aircraft, be it a J10, F-16, F15 or Boeing 737 etc.

The only non-corrosive environment is an arid dry desert, where hundreds of passenger jets are now being park because of the disruption in civil aviation industry due to the pandemic.


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alone spends upwards of $2 billion annually on corrosion maintenance. Aircraft rinsing with clear water after a mission is one of the most effective methods for removing contaminates, salt, or sand that contribute to corrosion. Riveer has developed several low pressure, high volume systems for washing and clear water rinsing fixed wing and rotary aircraft of all configurations, giving flight line personnel, crew chiefs and maintenance departments the tools they need to combat this costly and highly damaging foe. Find out more about the Riveer
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guanyu158

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The chemical is not there for tough stains. The article explicitly states that they are used for waterproofing purposes. You can’t high pressure hose a jet fighter until the solution has been applied.

Either way, we’ve seen numerous images/videos of the J-10 taking off under heavy rainfall conditions. I don’t understand what the fuss is if it doesn’t affect the plane operationally.

it will affect the lifespan of the jet. Just like a normal J-10 deployed to those south china sea islands, the air will shorten lifespan of the jet.

well, i thought US had such advanced technology and not afraid of getting corrosion by washing by water.
 

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it will affect the lifespan of the jet. Just like a normal J-10 deployed to those south china sea islands, the air will shorten lifespan of the jet.

well, i thought US had such advanced technology and not afraid of getting corrosion by washing by water.
It's not water that does the corrosion mostly, especially to painted materials, it's the salts in the water. That's why you see rust on cars where the paint is scratched off. Also different materials react to salts differently, planes are typically composites and aluminum, neither of which are easily rustable.
 

guanyu158

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All metals are subjected to corrosion, especially after 10 years, 15 years or 20 years of usage. Cars, jets, trains, bridges, telephone poles all suffer corrosion.

What caused the corrosion on J10 may not be water. Contaminates, salt or sand could be the culprit. Mositure is the agent for causing corrosive substance seeping into an aircraft, be it a J10, F-16, F15 or Boeing 737 etc.

The only non-corrosive environment is an arid dry desert, where hundreds of passenger jets are now being park because of the disruption in civil aviation industry due to the pandemic.


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The maintenance guy in the interview saying that he had to use sponge to avoid water getting inside through the gap and causing damage or corrosion. I assume he knew what he was talking about.

I just could not believe that F16 does not face such problem. But the video does show they use water jet to wash. So if US has some solution, maybe china can just learn it.
 
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