J-10 Thread IV


Figaro

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Pupu says there will be a big change for the J-10 this year ... maybe J-10D? He also says implies that its a fifth generation fighter (不是一代的机型怎么比?How to compare with a model [F-16] that is not in the same generation?)
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ougoah

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Pupu says there will be a big change for the J-10 this year
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Hmm. Well WS-10 has been installed and used on J-10s for many months now. Could it be TVC?

Things to doubt; LO version lol, conformal tanks, a new D variant. Subcomponent upgrades aren't visibly exciting and I think this is what's being hinted at by pupu.
 

Inst

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Pupu says there will be a big change for the J-10 this year ... maybe J-10D? He also says implies that its a fifth generation fighter (不是一代的机型怎么比?How to compare with a model [F-16] that is not in the same generation?)
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Most likely he means that the J-10D is gen 4.5 / 3.5, while the F-16 is 4th generation.

It's also possible that Chengdu was working on a single-engine J-20, so it's possible they stealthed the J-10 with an internal weapons bay.

Lastly, the J-20's aerodynamic formula is a significant improvement over the J-10's, with use of chines and multiple LERX. It could be that the LERX is coming to the J-10, just as much as the Eurofighter received LERX with the AMK kit, drastically improving its maneuverability.
 

Deino

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It's also possible that Chengdu was working on a single-engine J-20, so it's possible they stealthed the J-10 with an internal weapons bay.
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NO, plain and simply no! It is not like uploading a new app to your mobile. Such a change would result in a de facto new aircraft and as such it won't be a J-10 anymore.
 

Inst

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NO, plain and simply no! It is not like uploading a new app to your mobile. Such a change would result in a de facto new aircraft and as such it won't be a J-10 anymore.
IIRC we had rumors floating around that the Chinese F-35 analogue wouldn't be the J-31, but rather a single-engined J-20.

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So the massive changes aren't strictly impossible, but I agree with you that it's unlikely given that the Silent Eagle was in itself a bit of a failure; while it had reduced RCS, it seemed to have only gone to LO level instead of VLO level, and its internal storage capacity was abysmal.

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The AMK-type upgrade, likewise, seems a bit more plausible. Considering that the AMK upgrade for the Eurofighter Typhoon was potentially viable as a retrofit, it wouldn't be impossible to upgrade at least the J-10C to the J-10D standard.
 

Deino

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IIRC we had rumors floating around that the Chinese F-35 analogue wouldn't be the J-31, but rather a single-engined J-20.
But we also have rumours on VSTOL-types since years, a revamping up production of the An-225 in China a new stealthy JH-XX and a smaller reginal bomber ala stealthy Tu-22M ... and what happened so far?
 

ougoah

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Most likely he means that the J-10D is gen 4.5 / 3.5, while the F-16 is 4th generation.

It's also possible that Chengdu was working on a single-engine J-20, so it's possible they stealthed the J-10 with an internal weapons bay.

Lastly, the J-20's aerodynamic formula is a significant improvement over the J-10's, with use of chines and multiple LERX. It could be that the LERX is coming to the J-10, just as much as the Eurofighter received LERX with the AMK kit, drastically improving its maneuverability.
These rumors are getting wild and growing wings. Single engined J-20? So a stealthy J-10? I'm assuming your guess here is the same single engine J-20 fighter for the navy. I thought it's been established now that the PLAN J-35 is going to be from SAC and almost certainly based off their prototypes for the J-31.

Pupu's J-10 hint here can't be a 5th gen fighter. Like you said, he has to be referring to the capability gaps between an early 4th gen with a 4.5 gen. Stealth J-10 would be a totally new fighter. You can't just add internal bays willy nilly. Not to mention it'll put the J-31 from SAC out of business, or at least only one of these would become inducted.
 

PiSigma

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Most likely he means that the J-10D is gen 4.5 / 3.5, while the F-16 is 4th generation.

It's also possible that Chengdu was working on a single-engine J-20, so it's possible they stealthed the J-10 with an internal weapons bay.

Lastly, the J-20's aerodynamic formula is a significant improvement over the J-10's, with use of chines and multiple LERX. It could be that the LERX is coming to the J-10, just as much as the Eurofighter received LERX with the AMK kit, drastically improving its maneuverability.
Please go back and re read my history of j20 development. The idea of a single engine stealthy j10 was rejected way back when it was as a study case.
 

Figaro

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Most likely he means that the J-10D is gen 4.5 / 3.5, while the F-16 is 4th generation.

It's also possible that Chengdu was working on a single-engine J-20, so it's possible they stealthed the J-10 with an internal weapons bay.

Lastly, the J-20's aerodynamic formula is a significant improvement over the J-10's, with use of chines and multiple LERX. It could be that the LERX is coming to the J-10, just as much as the Eurofighter received LERX with the AMK kit, drastically improving its maneuverability.
No, he clearly stated that the new J-10 is no longer in the same generation as the latest F-16 variant, which by itself is basically a 4.5 generation fighter. I'm pretty sure he is implying the J-10 is going to become a fifth generation fighter (fourth generation using the Chinese standard).
 

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