J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

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franco-russe

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If China stands up a Regiment of J10B every year from next year by 2020 that will be 8 Regiments thats 224 aircraft, similar to what J10A numbers are right now, which isnt that bad, also by 2020 J20 will be in production and good medium-high end mix will be fine for China

Considering J10B will be in service for decades to come a few years late wont make any difference

can J10A be upgraded to J10B standard in the future?
That is a very reasonable prognosis, remembering that they still have to deliver most Lot 06 J-10A's in 2012.

An yes, of course they will be in service for decades to come. Modern combat aircraft should be expected to serve for nearly 40 years, and the J-10 only entered front-line service (with 131 Regt, 44 Ftr Div) in 2004
 

Dizasta1

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Personally, I feel that PLAAF ought to have a balance on the USAF. What I mean't to say is, just look at the number of F-16s USAF has, nearly 1200, as well as the number of F-15s, which is around 300. PLAAF should ideally have a large fleet of its mainstay fighter, J-10Bs (at least 500-700 fighters or more). J-11Bs should be proportionately less to the J-10Bs, however, not as less in proportion, as the USAF have on the F-15s to F-16s ratio.

Ideally, if finances, logistics permit it, PLAAF should have (300) J-20s, (300 to 500) J-11Bs, (700-900) J-10Bs and about (150-300) JH-7Bs. But I guess everyone here would laugh at such numbers. In spite this, I still say, that an air force of PLAAF's stature deserves the large fleet lay out, as I have mentioned. It's fit for a Superpower, that is China!
 

franco-russe

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PLAAF is not and in the future is unlikely to be a copy of USAF.

Whatever some might find desirable, the ratio between SU-27/SU-30/J-11 and J-10 in PLAAF and PLANAF combined is 16 regiments of the former and 7 regiments of the latter.

As they are built in roughly equal numbers, the ratio will only slowly change.
 

Dizasta1

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In any conflict or potential conflict, the outcome is always calculated on the basis of numbers. This doesn't necessarily mean that you have equal your adversary, fighter for fighter, or tank for tank. Rather, it is an acceptable fleet, troop, squadron strength, which deems any conflict with their enemy, a stalemate. And there are many examples of this, where a country, though not as superior in numbers, has attained a level of strength by which it thwarts or hinders its rivals from open war.

We have witnessed such match-ups in the cold war, between United States and the Soviet Union. The same comparison can be made of Pakistan and hindustan, where hindustan has a superiority in numbers, however Pakistan has built up enough numbers to thwart or stemmed the enemy of thinking about open war. Also, the fact that Pakistan is Nuclear Power, prevents hindustan (wrongfully known as india), from declaring open war.

For China, open war with the America, is and should not be a possibility. Simply because both countries would perish in such a conflict. However, the key for China is, to achieve a respectable level of conventional military strength, which thwarts any aggressive designs by the enemy. As America is the only standing rival to China, it is only logical for China to attain a military strength which can challenge America and let it know, that open war, would cost it dearly.

Which is why, China should ideally achieve a respectable military strength, where America may have 11 Aircraft Carriers, China can do with a minimum of 6 Aircraft Carriers. And where USAF has a combined fleet of 2000-3000 fighter-jets, China should have at least 1700-2000. The same goes for the PLA, which needs more mobility, with the likes of larger Military Cargo aircraft and larger Military Cargo helicopters.

It isn't necessary for PLAAF to have 1200 J-10Bs, just because USAF has 1200 F-16s, rather a lesser number of J-10Bs, which are large enough to challenge America's air force's might. And even though, the manufacturing capability of reaching such strength levels in the PLA, PLAAF and PLAN/PLANAF, may take time, it is essential for China to achieve it and maintain parity with the United States.

A powerful China, is essential to the global balance of power, as it is foolish to allow just one power (United States) to rule the world. Balance is essential and imperative for a peaceful world.
 

franco-russe

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It would in any case be quite difficult for the US to deploy its air force within range of China. I would find it very unlikely that Japan and South Korea allow their territory to be used for operations against China, which would leave the US only Guam and Taiwan as basing options - plus of course aircraft carriers, of which six are supposed to be in the Pacific Fleet (currently just five). India might be an option, too, in the future.

When the new Panama Canal opens in 2014, Atlantic Fleet carriers will be able to deploy to the Pacific quite rapidly, avoiding the unpleasant trip round Cape Horn and allowing principle the entire US carrier fleet to be concentrated against China.
 

escobar

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It would in any case be quite difficult for the US to deploy its air force within range of China. I would find it very unlikely that Japan and South Korea allow their territory to be used for operations against China, which would leave the US only Guam and Taiwan as basing options - plus of course aircraft carriers, of which six are supposed to be in the Pacific Fleet (currently just five). India might be an option, too, in the future.
If it is very unlikely that Japan and South Korea (US allies) would not allow US to use their territory as base for operations against China
it is even more unlikely that India would do that.
 

latenlazy

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Personally, I feel that PLAAF ought to have a balance on the USAF. What I mean't to say is, just look at the number of F-16s USAF has, nearly 1200, as well as the number of F-15s, which is around 300. PLAAF should ideally have a large fleet of its mainstay fighter, J-10Bs (at least 500-700 fighters or more). J-11Bs should be proportionately less to the J-10Bs, however, not as less in proportion, as the USAF have on the F-15s to F-16s ratio.

Ideally, if finances, logistics permit it, PLAAF should have (300) J-20s, (300 to 500) J-11Bs, (700-900) J-10Bs and about (150-300) JH-7Bs. But I guess everyone here would laugh at such numbers. In spite this, I still say, that an air force of PLAAF's stature deserves the large fleet lay out, as I have mentioned. It's fit for a Superpower, that is China!
I doubt China needs such a large air force. Unlike the US, China doesn't have and won't have as many fixed global assets, and won't need so much power projection.
 

Munir

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If they want to secure resources and export they need a very capable and big Navy. In that respect China needs a lot bigger numbers. The cost of that will be higher then what Dizasta talks about. I doubt the PLAAF needs that number of high tech planes. More then 100 J20 is already huge. That is already 5 squadrons.
 

Dizasta1

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During the time, when the British Empire was a superpower, the rule was that whom so ever controlled the Sea, dominated everything. Then the age American Empire came to fore, the rules changed and it is whom so ever controlled the Seas and Skies, dominated everything.

For China, limiting its sphere of influence and power projection to just Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, is not in any way going to be a challenge for the United States. This is because, in order to be a global power, China needs to have enough clout, both economically and militarily, to exert influence in the region. The reason for this is simple, if China is not able to do so, the rule of the jungle applies. The strongest devour the weak.

Apart from a power military, China also requires stable, strong (at least in their region) allies. And that too, allies which are fiercely aligned to it's friend, China. This is only possible, when China has the capability to step in to defend its ally. Something which America has promised Taiwan, in the event they declare independence from China, officially! It is also only possible, if China expands its economic growth and prosperity out of the shadows of dependence on America and Europe.

Coming back to the subject, China's ability to field a large, well equipped and technologically advance PLAAF, PLAN & PLANAF, would be the deciding factor in it being able to counter American influence in its own backyard, as well as deep into the Pacific or Indian Oceans.
 
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