ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

FORBIN

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Russians have used her new toy Kh-101 :)

Now based to Latakia about 42 Fighter Bombers 10 Su-24 in more very possible also 8 Su-34 and 4 Su-27SM which attack tuesday with Heavy Bombers some Su-24 come from Khurba/Komsomolsk in far East !

Without new Su-27SM/34 :
4 or 6 ?Su-34
18 Su-24M/M2
4 Su-24MR
12 Su-25
4 Su-30SM
12+ Mi-24 plus 5 to Tiras

 
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I don't think the western powers will not interfere unless they cross into Iraq then things might and I say might get interesting but it kind of has a ring of Hitler's invasion of the Cheklosvocklia prior to WWII time will tell

bro, your post was difficult to follow for me (and I've had thousands of discussions about 1938-1939 events in Czechoslovakia :) and don't want to go off topic, so it's just to remind here the Western Powerns in Munich in the end of September, 1938 "guaranteed" the independence of the remaining parts of Czechoslovakia after it had given up about one third of its territory thus avoiding a War (Czechoslovak Army mobilized at 2200 hours of September 23); this independence ended in mid-March, 1939 ... you can take up from here LOL
 

kwaigonegin

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My be i should put this post on What the Heck thread!



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Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.

Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.

Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.

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Of course they have dual agendas. Only the blind would think otherwise. It appears that Turkey is trying to legitimize ISIS with this guy's statement. Erdogan is playing with fire these days and it doesn't help that there are many hardliners in his cabinet also.
Turkey would be a difficult partner. On paper they are bound by NATO's commitment and shared treaties but on the ground they still view the Kurds as their primary enemy and not ISIS or other Sunni based terror groups. Heck I would not be surprised at all if some of them are probably closet allies with folks like Al Bagdhadi and Al Zawahiri.
 
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So, I'll try to occasionally follow five direction:
  1. Aleppo (including access routes: "M5" and through Khanasir);
  2. Talbiseh pocket;
  3. Salma;
  4. suburbs of Damascus;
  5. Tall Sayyad salient ...

#1 based on what I read, saw today, it seems the map I posted yesterday
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/is...no-oped-no-policis.t6913/page-228#post-375339
presented more optimistic view for Government Forces than it actually had been; apparently they
  • recently were just trying to get a wider corridor to the Kuweiris Airbase:
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    and
  • didn't take over "M5" inTal Hadya area yet (feel free to show it's incorrect)
#2 hasn't been cut yet (which would mean opening Homs-Hama part of "M5", just reminding myself :)

#3 hasn't been taken yet; probably the heaviest figths in the area took place at approaches to
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#4 I don't have anything at least partly credible to post (concerns just this particular point LOL

#5 the push against Government forces was probably stopped
 

vincent

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On a lighter note:

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by Josh Meyer

NBC News has learned that ISIS is using a web-savvy new tactic to expand its global operational footprint -- a 24-hour Jihadi Help Desk to help its foot soldiers spread its message worldwide, recruit followers and launch more attacks on foreign soil.

Counterterrorism analysts affiliated with the U.S. Army tell NBC News that the ISIS help desk, manned by a half-dozen senior operatives around the clock, was established with the express purpose of helping would-be jihadists use encryption and other secure communications in order to evade detection by law enforcement and intelligence authorities.

The relatively new development -- which law enforcement and intel officials say has ramped up over the past year -- is alarming because it allows potentially thousands of ISIS followers to move about and plan operations without any hint of activity showing up in their massive collection of signals intelligence.

Authorities are now homing in on the terror group's growing cyber capabilities after attacks in Paris, Egypt and elsewhere for which ISIS has claimed credit.

"They've developed a series of different platforms in which they can train one another on digital security to avoid intelligence and law enforcement agencies for the explicit purpose of recruitment, propaganda and operational planning," said Aaron F. Brantly, a counterterrorism analyst at the Combating Terrorism Center, an independent research organization at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Brantly was the lead author of a CTC report on the Islamic State's use of secure communications, based on hundreds of hours of observation of how the Jihadi Help Desk operates.

"They answer questions from the technically mundane to the technically savvy to elevate the entire jihadi community to engage in global terror," Brantly said in an interview Monday. "Clearly this enables them to communicate and engage in operations beyond what used to happen, and in a much more expeditious manner. They are now operating at the speed of cyberspace rather than the speed of person-to-person communications."

The existence of the Jihadi Help Desk has raised alarm bells in Washington and within the global counterterrorism community because it appears to be allowing a far wider web of militants to network with each other and plot attacks. A senior European counterterrorism official said that concerns about the recent development are especially serious in Europe, where ISIS operatives are believed to be plotting major attacks, some of them with direct assistance from ISIS headquarters in Syria.

At a congressional hearing in October, FBI Director James Comey said the FBI is extremely concerned about ISIS' increasing ability to "go dark." Comey told the House Judiciary Committee that the U.S. is " confronting the explosion of terrorist propaganda and training on the Internet."

"While some of the contacts between groups like ISIL and potential recruits occur in publicly accessible social networking sites," said Comey, "others take place via encrypted private messaging platforms. As a result, the FBI and all law enforcement organizations must understand the latest communication tools and position ourselves to identify and prevent terror attacks in the homeland."

Nick Rasmussen, director of the U.S. government's multiagency National Counterterrorism Center, said in an interview with the Combating Terrorism Center's in-house publication that the "agile use of new means of communicating, including ways which they understand are beyond our ability to collect," is one of his greatest concerns when it comes to ISIS and other terrorist groups.

Brantly described the Jihadi Help Desk as "a fairly large, robust community" that is anchored by at least five or six core members who are technical experts with at least collegiate or masters level training in information technology. There are layers of other associates, living all around the world, who allow the service to operate -- and respond to questions -- at any time of the day or night. CTC researchers have spent a year or so monitoring the help desk -- and its senior operatives -- via online forums, social media and other means.

"You can kind of get a sense of where they are by when they say they are signing off to participate in the [Muslim] call to prayer,'' which traditionally occurs at five specific times a day, Brantly said. "They are very decentralized. They are operating in virtually every region of the world."

The help desk workers closely track all of the many new kinds of security software and encryption as they come online, and produce materials to train others in how to use them. The CTC has obtained more than 300 pages of documents showing the help desk is training everyone from novice militants to the most experienced jihadists in digital operational security.

ISIS also distributes the tutorials through Twitter and other social media, taking pains to link to versions of it that can be downloaded even after their social media sites are shut down.

And once the help desk operatives develop personal connections with people, ISIS then contacts them to engage them in actual operational planning -- including recruiting, fundraising and potentially attacks.

"They will engage in encrypted person-to-person communications, and these are extremely hard to break into from a cryptographic perspective," Brantly said.

"They also post YouTube Videos, going step by step over how to use these technologies," Brantly said. "Imagine you have a problem and need to solve it and go to YouTube; they have essentially established the same mechanism [for terrorism]."
 

janjak desalin

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URGENT: ISIL's Top Commanders Evacuating Syria's Raqqa, ISIL Changing Capital
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:46

TEHRAN (FNA)- The top leaders and commanders of the ISIL terrorist group were seen by locals and citizens to be escaping from the Syrian city of Raqqa after sustaining heavy casualties in the Russian airstrikes and long-range cruise missile attacks from its Mediterranean fleet.

Intelligence sources confirmed citizens' reports on Thursday that militants' leaders are fleeing the so-called capital of the ISIL terrorist group after hundreds of ISIL members escaped the city on Wednesday to save their lives.

Various sources from citizens of Raqqa to local villagers and intelligence sources have reported in the last 24 hours that the terrorist group has started hasty evacuation of Raqqa after the Russian strikers and long-range bombers intensifying airstrikes on the strongholds and command centers of the ISIL militants in Raqqa in recent days.

The Russian military has also been pounding the ISIL stronghold in Raqqa with cruise missiles fired from the Mediterranean Sea since Tuesday.

Meantime, reports disclosed on Wednesday that the ISIL terrorists retreated from the Southern parts of Hasakah province, located North of Raqq, as Syrian army and popular forces, backed by Russian and Syrian airstrikes, continue to strike heavy blows at the militants.

According to the Arabic-language al-Mayadeen television, ISIL terrorists are moving their families and heavy weaponries from the city of al-Shadadi in the Southern countryside of Hasakah to Deir Ezzur.

Hasakah is a region in Northeastern Syria mostly populated by the Kurds. The Kurdish and Arab fighters have recently pushed the terrorists out of the Northern parts of the region.

Following similar heavy strikes in the Southern parts of the province by the Syrian forces, the ISIL terrorists were forced to retreat furthern to Raqqa, the so-called capital of the ISIL terrorist group. But after the start of heavy airstrikes by the Russian and French air forces in the last few days, the ISIL is again on the move to retreat further to deploy its central command in Deir Ezzur.

Also on Tuesday, the France’s Le Monde newspaper, citing a French official, said that the Russian military has launched airstrikes against the ISIL stronghold of Raqqa in Syria with cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea.

The information that Russia struck the ISIL positions in Raqqa was also reported by a senior French government source.

US officials also confirmed on Tuesday that Moscow conducted a significant number of strikes in Syria using both sea-launched cruise missiles and long-range bombers.

In the meantime, different sources said that the French fighter jets carried out many sorties over the ISIL positions in recent day and targeted them heavily with scores of bombs and missiles in reprisals for the Paris terror attacks by ISIL.

Also on Tuesday, French President Francois Hollande told the French parliament’s emergency meeting in Versailles that the French nuclear-powered Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier will leave the port of registration on November 19 to join the operation in Syria.

If this reporting is accurate, it confirms my assertion that ISIL's does not have long in Syria. They won't last, long, at Deir Ez Zur, either. I Expect to see them running, next, for Al-Bukamal/Abu Kamal, southeast of Deir Ez Zur, on the same highway 4, at the border with Iraq. This is about as far from the Russian airbase in Jableh (not that this will help anymore) and Assad Regime Ground Forces in western Syria as is achievable. From there, its a quick jump to Al-Qa'im, Al-Anbar Province, Iraq, their home base.
 

Equation

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I think this air campaign against ISIS will be like the one President Clinton did over in the Bosnian war. It will take awhile and a lot of money to finish them off.

WASHINGTON (AP) — In measuring progress in the American-led air war against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, numbers tell one story but results tell another.

Fighter jets, bombers, attack planes and drones are dropping an average of 2,228 bombs per month on targets ranging from training camps and machine gun positions to oil facilities and weapons shacks. The Pentagon says it doesn't do body counts, but the attacks are believed to have killed upward of 20,000 IS fighters. The U.S. price tag: $5 billion since August 2014, an average of $11.1 million each day.

The bombing has damaged or destroyed hundreds of military vehicles (including American tanks surrendered by Iraqi soldiers), thousands of buildings, hundreds of pieces of oil infrastructure and thousands of fighting positions, among other targets, according to U.S. Central Command figures.

This sounds like a pummeling designed to bury an enemy, particularly one facing the military might and technological power of the United States.

But what has been the result? In a word, stalemate, although U.S. military officials say they see the tide gradually turning in their favor.

The key word is "gradually." The administration has said from the start that dealing a lasting defeat to IS will take years, that a pell-mell military approach will not work because IS is not a conventional army. But in the aftermath of the Paris attacks, many are asking why the U.S. is not in a bigger hurry.

President Barack Obama says he sees encouraging progress. On Monday he pointed to the liberation this month of Sinjar in northwestern Iraq by Iraqi Kurdish forces, the encirclement of IS-held Ramadi and the severing of a key highway serving as a supply route for Islamic State fighters between the northern Iraqi city of Mosul and the militant's self-proclaimed capital of Raqqa in Syria. A key Iraqi oil refinery also has been taken from the militants.

And yet, as the Paris attacks showed, the group is now acting on global ambitions. It has withstood the aerial pounding by U.S. and coalition warplanes, defended its core territories and apparently used its resiliency and social media savvy to replenish its ranks as quickly as they are reduced.

How has it managed this?

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Graphic shows destroyed and damaged Islamic State group targets; 2c x 4 inches; 96.3 mm x 101 mm;
The answer lies partly in the gradualist U.S. military approach. Instead of bombing every target in sight and sending a U.S. ground invasion force, Obama has chosen to use air power more discriminately to chip away at the Islamic State, avoiding targets where civilians are endangered. And rather than sending U.S. ground combat troops, he is waiting for the emergence of local fighters who can do the job. The premise of this strategy, endorsed by the president's top national security advisers but doubted by many in Congress, is that although the U.S. military is capable of squashing IS, any such victory would be short-lived without local armies and governments capable of maintaining stability.

The president's new chief military adviser, Gen. Joseph Dunford, defends a U.S. approach focused heavily on avoiding killing civilians.

"We're very careful in terms of civilian casualties, and some have criticized us for that," Dunford said Tuesday. "I will not apologize for that, because we are fighting the long fight, and for us to do otherwise would be shortsighted."

In the meantime the Islamic State has leveraged Iraqi and Syrian oil resources to generate nearly $1.4 million a day through black market sales. Those funds have enabled the militants to replace damaged and destroyed equipment and weapons and to finance their recruiting efforts. Critics of the administration's approach say this is giving IS too much breathing room, enabling it to spread its influence well beyond Syria and Iraq.

In recent days the Pentagon has highlighted attacks on oil-related targets that it previously had passed up or struck too lightly. For example, on Sunday it used A-10 attack planes and AC-130 gunships to destroy 116 tanker trucks in eastern Syria as they lined up near an oil facility in the open desert. On Wednesday the military said it struck two oil and natural gas processing plants near Abu Kamal in eastern Syria near the Iraqi border.

A question that has not yet been fully answered by the Pentagon is why it took so long to go after more of those oil-related targets, which are links in an oil business that Col. Steve Warren, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, says generates more than half of the Islamic State's revenue.

For all the attention paid to the air campaign and its shortcomings, Defense Secretary Ash Carter says the key to ultimate success will be found on the ground, not in the air.

Sufficient numbers of local fighters in Iraq and Syria will have to step forward. Iraq's Sunni Arabs, for example, need to rise up and reclaim what IS has taken from them, Carter said.

"This is one of the sad realities," he said. "They're harder to find than you would like."

Carter said in an interview broadcast Thursday that the administration would be prepared to change the rules of engagement for its air campaign, if it sees fit.

"We're getting better at this every day," he said in the interview that aired on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" show. Carter acknowledged that the Defense Department had "changed tactics" to focus on strikes against fuel trucks transporting oil seized by IS.

Another reality is that the Obama administration is under political attack for what critics sees as a feckless military effort.

"Thousands of airstrikes against ISIL targets have conjured the illusion of progress, but they have produced little in the way of decisive battlefield effects," Sen. John McCain said Tuesday. The Arizona Republican favors a more aggressive U.S. approach in both Iraq and Syria.

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dtulsa

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I think this air campaign against ISIS will be like the one President Clinton did over in the Bosnian war. It will take awhile and a lot of money to finish them off.



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After the success of gulf war 1 and 2 every one was expecting a a quick and decisive victory and that may have been possible in the beginning with a different and better strategy but now it seems as though the current military and political leadership is content to let others do the heavy lifting I don't know just seems that way to me
 

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The two most recent maps from edmaps of Aleppo show SAA consolidation of territory taken in the Southern breakthrough and control now extending to a large stretch of the M5.
Around Kuweires they are consolidating large areas around the Airbase and expanding in pretty much all directions.
The maps are worth many words of narrative
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