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Khalij e Fars

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So essentially Iran and Venezuela are helping each other economically and for humanitarian purpose. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Yes. Venezuela has a severe humanitarian crisis due to fuel shortages:

"US has asked fuel suppliers to avoid sending petrol to Venezuela despite worsening humanitarian crisis.

Petrol shortages in Venezuela are worsening after United States officials told foreign firms to refrain from supplying fuel to the sanctioned South American nation
and only provide diesel, five people familiar with the situation told Reuters News Agency.

Since late 2019, US officials have asked most of Venezuela's fuel suppliers to avoid sending petrol to the crisis-stricken nation. In the latest round of calls in early March between US officials and oil firms, they repeated the ban, despite worsening humanitarian conditions in the country, one of the sources said.

The US Treasury Department sanctioned Venezuela's state-run Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) more than a year ago as a measure to overthrow socialist President Nicolas Maduro

With the
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wreaking havoc across the world, Washington has come under pressure from the United Nations human rights chief and US legislators to relax sanctions on countries like Venezuela and Iran to facilitate the shipment of humanitarian goods.

To increase the pressure on Caracas, the US this year sanctioned PDVSA's main trade partners Rosneft Trading and TNK Trading International, both subsidiaries of Rosneft.

Venezuela's government blames US sanctions for restricting imports of additives and spare parts needed to run the facilities and has pledged to restart fuel output at the 146,000bpd El Palito refinery.

The resulting shortages of motor fuel have disrupted shipments of food and prevented doctors from arriving at their hospital shifts.

Ana Veronica Herrero, a 32-year-old resident of the western city of Maracaibo, said she could not find petrol to transport her mother to the hospital after she had a heart attack last Thursday."

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
I find it interesting that one of the world’s largest oil reserves Venezuela, has fallen to the point of needing to import.

That’s not the Sanctions its the situation on the ground. Low oil prices globally combined with corruption and miss management lack of maintenance lead to issues before the sanctions ( issues began hitting the news of the collapse of the nations petroleum industry as far back as 2016 perhaps even earlier as far back as 2002 with strikes, massive firings and disasters, but that’s not to say it was all hunky doory before than. Sanctions didn’t start until August 2017 with father imposed in January 2019. Those are just the icing on a putrid cake that has left once Oil rich Lake Maracaibo slick with disgorged Oil from broken pipelines. The Refinery’s shutdowns were far more to do with blackouts and poor maintenance. They closed down in January after the main plant had lost both crude and with multiple system failures. But oh how Sanctions love to be made to look more impressive.
The five ships of gas are just buying time.
 

Dolcevita

Senior Member
I find it interesting that one of the world’s largest oil reserves Venezuela, has fallen to the point of needing to import.

That’s not the Sanctions its the situation on the ground. Low oil prices globally combined with corruption and miss management lack of maintenance lead to issues before the sanctions ( issues began hitting the news of the collapse of the nations petroleum industry as far back as 2016 perhaps even earlier as far back as 2002 with strikes, massive firings and disasters, but that’s not to say it was all hunky doory before than. Sanctions didn’t start until August 2017 with father imposed in January 2019. Those are just the icing on a putrid cake that has left once Oil rich Lake Maracaibo slick with disgorged Oil from broken pipelines. The Refinery’s shutdowns were far more to do with blackouts and poor maintenance. They closed down in January after the main plant had lost both crude and with multiple system failures. But oh how Sanctions love to be made to look more impressive.
The five ships of gas are just buying time.
Well look no further than your government on why this may be interesting. Disingenuous of you to claim otherwise with all your noise.
Nonetheless, Venezuela needs dilutant and chemicals to process their heavy crude. There is no justification to interfere with the delivery and that is what is being discussed.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Well look no further than your government on why this may be interesting. Disingenuous of you to claim otherwise with all your noise.
Nonetheless, Venezuela needs dilutant and chemicals to process their heavy crude. There is no justification to interfere with the delivery and that is what is being discussed.
@Dolcevita what interference? In case you hadn’t noticed it arrived unmollested.
Iran and Venezuela made a bigger drama about this with escorts, rockets and missiles than the “Great Satan”. The US is looking at political pressure sure but that the point Sanctions are soft power.
This isn’t an Embargo or Blockades.
Sanction only work if you are vulnerable to them.
It’s like Kryptonite. If you are Superman it’s a bad day any one else an annoyance.
You love to make the CIA and US the big baddies. Reality is you can’t create a civil war unless there were already issues Rooted there.
You can’t collapse an economy unless it was already sick.
The gas problem in Venezuela is because the refineries shut down. They were getting help from Russia, but things started breaking and not getting fixed. Engineers who knew how things worked And could fix it were fired or quit or went home. They shut down the last two refineries in January.
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some parts closed over a decade ago. Well before the sanctions despite your noise.

Why were they struggling? America you say? Bzzzzttt. First was the politics on the ground nationalization then, The Oil money. Today oil is $23.52 a barrel. In June 2008 Oil was $145.31 per barrel. Not enough money coming in to pay for things as is and the local despot using what came in to line his pockets, Then after a hundred other issues Washington.
Washington as more companies are happy to deal with the US than not. Any nation can boycott or sanction if it bites isn’t a question of right or wrong as people boycott all the time. They choose not to buy brand X because of this or that. Sanctions get broken too. It’s just the question of are you as Company Y or Nation W more able to take the loss of business in Nation (The Sanctioner) U to deal with Nation V (the Sanctioned).
In the case of Venezuela it’s proved more effective than predicted not because they are more biting but because they were already falling apart. The Washington is often used as an excuse to cover preexisting systemically rooted issues. Because the boogie man is easier than owning up to your own incompetence
So yeah Venezuela is under sanction but the absolute collapse isn’t a problem in Washington, that was simply a match thrown at already smoking brush pile tinderbox with barrels of gunpowder mixed in by Caracas.
Iran well they are happy to help after all check out the new Minister of Petroleum for Venezuela.
And No I don’t care about his family And ethnic background. I mean his known views and connections and power the guy is virtually a puppet master with a Strong pro Tehran view.
 

2handedswordsman

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@Dolcevita what interference? In case you hadn’t noticed it arrived unmollested.
Iran and Venezuela made a bigger drama about this with escorts, rockets and missiles than the “Great Satan”. The US is looking at political pressure sure but that the point Sanctions are soft power.
This isn’t an Embargo or Blockades.
Sanction only work if you are vulnerable to them.
It’s like Kryptonite. If you are Superman it’s a bad day any one else an annoyance.
You love to make the CIA and US the big baddies. Reality is you can’t create a civil war unless there were already issues Rooted there.
You can’t collapse an economy unless it was already sick.
The gas problem in Venezuela is because the refineries shut down. They were getting help from Russia, but things started breaking and not getting fixed. Engineers who knew how things worked And could fix it were fired or quit or went home. They shut down the last two refineries in January.
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some parts closed over a decade ago. Well before the sanctions despite your noise.

Why were they struggling? America you say? Bzzzzttt. First was the politics on the ground nationalization then, The Oil money. Today oil is $23.52 a barrel. In June 2008 Oil was $145.31 per barrel. Not enough money coming in to pay for things as is and the local despot using what came in to line his pockets, Then after a hundred other issues Washington.
Washington as more companies are happy to deal with the US than not. Any nation can boycott or sanction if it bites isn’t a question of right or wrong as people boycott all the time. They choose not to buy brand X because of this or that. Sanctions get broken too. It’s just the question of are you as Company Y or Nation W more able to take the loss of business in Nation (The Sanctioner) U to deal with Nation V (the Sanctioned).
In the case of Venezuela it’s proved more effective than predicted not because they are more biting but because they were already falling apart. The Washington is often used as an excuse to cover preexisting systemically rooted issues. Because the boogie man is easier than owning up to your own incompetence
So yeah Venezuela is under sanction but the absolute collapse isn’t a problem in Washington, that was simply a match thrown at already smoking brush pile tinderbox with barrels of gunpowder mixed in by Caracas.
Iran well they are happy to help after all check out the new Minister of Petroleum for Venezuela.
And No I don’t care about his family And ethnic background. I mean his known views and connections and power the guy is virtually a puppet master with a Strong pro Tehran view.
LoL man, you forgot to wear some dignity before go out. Venezuela's inability to run it's refineries is because of many kind of sabotages. From time to time i heard, here in Greece many occasions of sabotages in refineries, explosions of pipelines and such things. Their treasuries and other assets are being stolen by US. Tell us that CIA is not actively operating in Venezuela to spread more laughs. Seriously, kryptonite? OMG...
 

foxmulder_ms

Junior Member
LoL man, you forgot to wear some dignity before go out. Venezuela's inability to run it's refineries is because of many kind of sabotages. From time to time i heard, here in Greece many occasions of sabotages in refineries, explosions of pipelines and such things. Their treasuries and other assets are being stolen by US. Tell us that CIA is not actively operating in Venezuela to spread more laughs. Seriously, kryptonite? OMG...
@Dolcevita what interference? In case you hadn’t noticed it arrived unmollested.
Iran and Venezuela made a bigger drama about this with escorts, rockets and missiles than the “Great Satan”. The US is looking at political pressure sure but that the point Sanctions are soft power.
This isn’t an Embargo or Blockades.
Sanction only work if you are vulnerable to them.
It’s like Kryptonite. If you are Superman it’s a bad day any one else an annoyance.
You love to make the CIA and US the big baddies. Reality is you can’t create a civil war unless there were already issues Rooted there.
You can’t collapse an economy unless it was already sick.
The gas problem in Venezuela is because the refineries shut down. They were getting help from Russia, but things started breaking and not getting fixed. Engineers who knew how things worked And could fix it were fired or quit or went home. They shut down the last two refineries in January.
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some parts closed over a decade ago. Well before the sanctions despite your noise.

Why were they struggling? America you say? Bzzzzttt. First was the politics on the ground nationalization then, The Oil money. Today oil is $23.52 a barrel. In June 2008 Oil was $145.31 per barrel. Not enough money coming in to pay for things as is and the local despot using what came in to line his pockets, Then after a hundred other issues Washington.
Washington as more companies are happy to deal with the US than not. Any nation can boycott or sanction if it bites isn’t a question of right or wrong as people boycott all the time. They choose not to buy brand X because of this or that. Sanctions get broken too. It’s just the question of are you as Company Y or Nation W more able to take the loss of business in Nation (The Sanctioner) U to deal with Nation V (the Sanctioned).
In the case of Venezuela it’s proved more effective than predicted not because they are more biting but because they were already falling apart. The Washington is often used as an excuse to cover preexisting systemically rooted issues. Because the boogie man is easier than owning up to your own incompetence
So yeah Venezuela is under sanction but the absolute collapse isn’t a problem in Washington, that was simply a match thrown at already smoking brush pile tinderbox with barrels of gunpowder mixed in by Caracas.
Iran well they are happy to help after all check out the new Minister of Petroleum for Venezuela.
And No I don’t care about his family And ethnic background. I mean his known views and connections and power the guy is virtually a puppet master with a Strong pro Tehran view.

It is so kind of you think the good of Venezuelans. LOL

Sanctions would work on every country. It is basically a blockade of trade since it is the ban of use of the SWIFT. Well, keep weaponizing USD/SWIFT, it is only going to motivate other countries to figure out a way to do these transactions without USD. Once that happens...... boy... US is literally shooting itself in the foot.
 

Mohsin77

Junior Member
Registered Member
Reality is you can’t create a civil war unless there were already issues Rooted there.
You can’t collapse an economy unless it was already sick.
Yep. That's what we'll all be saying to America when it starts falling apart in the not-too-distant future.

So don't be whining about it then (no one will care anyway.)

p.s. I heard one of your dams broke.
 

Dolcevita

Senior Member
LoL man, you forgot to wear some dignity before go out. Venezuela's inability to run it's refineries is because of many kind of sabotages. From time to time i heard, here in Greece many occasions of sabotages in refineries, explosions of pipelines and such things. Their treasuries and other assets are being stolen by US. Tell us that CIA is not actively operating in Venezuela to spread more laughs. Seriously, kryptonite? OMG...
It is so kind of you think the good of Venezuelans. LOL

Sanctions would work on every country. It is basically a blockade of trade since it is the ban of use of the SWIFT. Well, keep weaponizing USD/SWIFT, it is only going to motivate other countries to figure out a way to do these transactions without USD. Once that happens...... boy... US is literally shooting itself in the foot.
LOL. Poor naive fellow or more likely being blatantly deceptive. Either way,. Americans seems to have very little respect towards Venezuelan specifically and towards the world at large. They sanction any company or country that trades with Venezuela forcing Indian oil companies to discontinue trade. Russia and Iran are already under sanction and does not have to worry about being sanction. They sabotage Venezuela economically, geopolitically, commercially, electorally, militarily, politically, socially, etc to serve the democratic will of the American people, for the American people, and by the American people.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
“If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.

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Is the CIA out to pressure apply pressure on Venezuela? Duh!! Are they behind every single problem? Impossible. Sorry but that’s impossible no agency no matter the agenda has that much reach. To much information to much risk of exposure to many times have they botched the job. The US and a number of nations have a stated foreign policy against the Regime. To deny that would be as counter factual as denial of the Holocaust or the Sun rising in the East, the Round planets rotating around the sun... But the question is simply a matter of is that enough to mean a rampant series of war time clandestine operations that would simply encourage the regime and confirm its clams well justifying its actions?

Oh dear me... even when nations under sanctions do deal they deal in the US Dollar. It only motivates those who don’t want to deal in the dollar anyway. So what is the alternative blood diamonds, Gold, Narcotics, weapons another currency that is just as vulnerable to manipulation or sanctions?
Part of the reason the US is wary of theses ships is who knows what else is on them. Remember the MiGs And SAM systems Panama found in a sugar shipment from Cuba to the DPRK. So the US is shooting itself in the foot? been plenty of that. Then again Sometimes They actually stand for what they say they do.

@Mohsin77 What do you mean future? We have been having that for centuries!! Urban vs Rural, Red vs Blue, Segregation vs Integration, Slavery vs Imancipation, National vs global, industrial vs agrarian, Wig vs Tory, Authoritarian vs Libertarian, Atheists vs Relgious. It’s simply a question of when lines get crossed and debates stop and violence starts. The Canning of Sumner In example.
P. S. So what of it? Was it Hezbolah or IRGC Saboteurs? I remember when (2016) the The new Nipigon River Bridge partiality collapsed after a bad winter storm. Meaning that the eastern and western halves of Canada were technically isolated by all but flight for 55 hours. That doesn’t mean that some grand conspiracy was at play. Bridges fail, Dams burst and refineries have problems. Especially when they are mismanaged. I remember when the Big Dig tunnel in Boston collapsed too. Caused quite a stink. No vast conspiracy mostly people making short cuts that cost a lot of money and were passed under the table by bureaucrats some corruption all around ineptitude with blame shifting to the usual suspects all around.

Oh dear me... So I am a conspiracy member now am I... Echo chamber at work when your arguments fail, he is either a fool or he protest to much. Can’t come up with a counter beyond repeating your beliefs as gospel.

than it worked didn’t it? If only those under sanctions want to deal with each other than they can only deal with each other.
Funny how you say American people. Because Venezuelans are Americans. Not as in citizens of the United States but as they are of the American continent.
Sabotage? wow... you really twisted that world view. The US was The largest trade partner before the sanctions which only happened well after the start of the decline.How did we sabotage them in all those ways? Did we drop the oil price in the 1980’s? Because that was the last Time Venezuela was really doing well. Did we rig the election for Chavez because look back at history here that was when thing really hit a race to the bottom. Where did they get those F16s I wonder... looks to me like the US was for a time pretty happy to deal with Venezuela for a time. Then what? The coup, Chavez, Meduro disputed elections. The US was still the largest trade partner for Venezuela into 2018, as much as India and China‘s Trade Combined. What happened? Hyper inflation as far back as 2016. Blame shifting.
 
It is so kind of you think the good of Venezuelans. LOL

Sanctions would work on every country. It is basically a blockade of trade since it is the ban of use of the SWIFT. Well, keep weaponizing USD/SWIFT, it is only going to motivate other countries to figure out a way to do these transactions without USD. Once that happens...... boy... US is literally shooting itself in the foot.
well, thats the only "weapon" (USD/SWIFT) left, I am afraid
 

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