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Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
In an effort to better understand why the Virkamaditya bridge looks so vintage after this multi-year refit/modernization, I did a little research and searching to find relatively recent pictures of the Russian Aircraft Carrier Kuznetsov and its internal spaces, partiuclarly its bridge, CIC, and air operations and mapping areas.

What I found was that the Kuznetsov remains, in terms of its electronics and its equipment, a very 1980s vintage vessel. This does not mean that the vessel (or the Virkamaditya for that matter) cannot be operated effectively, or that it somehow is not "up to snuff," (as we say here in the states) to other STOBAR (SHort take-off, barrier assisted recovery) aircraft carriers in terms of its ability to launch and recover aircraft, project power, or defend Russian interests.

It does indicate that the Russians have a lot of work to do in their planned multi-year refit of the Kuznetsove where they intend to modernize the 25+ year old vessel.

Here are those pictures:


ON THE KUZNETSOV BRIDGE

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IN THE KUZNETSOV CIC & AIR OPERATIONS CENTER

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As you can see, the workstations, the displays, instrumentation, and work areas are not integrated like newer vessels, and most of the devices themselves are older analog equipment. At the same time, they are clearly stout, and of industrial quality and built to be operated in and handle a rough environment. Supposedly, the newer digital equipment on other nation's newere vessels is also built to take the same type of punishment and operate in that same environment.

Anyhow, I thought this would be of interest here on SinoDefence given some of the discussions we have had regarding the operating environment and equipment on the bridges of other vessels, like the Vikramaditya, the Liaoning, US nuclear carriers, etc.

One thing is for sure, it gives insight into why the rebuilt/refittted Russian Gorshkov, now the Indian Virkamaditay, looks and operates the way it does after refit by the Russians. It is how they operate. Here again is the Vikramaditya's bridge:


THE INS VIKRAMADITYA BRIDGE

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Franklin

Captain
Maybe that photo of the bridge of the Vikramaditya is slightly misleading. As you can see from the video below there are modern computers throughout the ship. Although they are far and few in between. Beginning at 2:50 you can see a few pretty modern computer systems on the bridge (or in the CIC ?).

[video=youtube;qO3_sBOcKkQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO3_sBOcKkQ[/video]
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Maybe that photo of the bridge of the Vikramaditya is slightly misleading. As you can see from the video below there are modern computers throughout the ship. Although they are far and few in between. Beginning at 2:50 you can see a few pretty modern computer systems on the bridge (or in the CIC ?).

Well, there are a few there that we can compare directly. Some of the others are in the engine room areas where they look very similar to the Kuznetsov and do appea

Anyhow, on the bridge and in the air/radar/nav plot area directly off of the bridge we can make some direct comparisons. In each case I will show the Vikramaditya picture first, followed by the Kuznetsov:



VIKRAMADITYA BRIDGE #1

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KUZNETSOV BRIDGE #1

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VIKRAMADITYA BRIDGE #2

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KUZNETSOV BRIDGE #3

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VIKRAMADITYA PLOT AREA #4

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KUZNETSOV PLOT AREA #4

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VIKRAMADITYA PLOT AREA #5

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KUZNETSOV PLOT AREA #5

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Mostly veruy similar, but the radar displays and the plot displays are newer on the Vikramaditya and not so vintage. No doubt about that.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
I really wish that they stop referring to the Vikramaditya as a "super aircraft carrier".

[video=youtube;IqejF3sFtSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqejF3sFtSw[/video]

[video=youtube;IeQb6nYcot8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeQb6nYcot8[/video]

could be worst. In some news articles the Vik is referred to as a 'battleship". I typically just shake my head and LOL when I read military articles written by clueless journalist or news reporter.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
Well, there are a few there that we can compare directly. Some of the others are in the engine room areas where they look very similar to the Kuznetsov and do appea

Anyhow, on the bridge and in the air/radar/nav plot area directly off of the bridge we can make some direct comparisons. In each case I will show the Vikramaditya picture first, followed by the Kuznetsov:



VIKRAMADITYA BRIDGE #1

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KUZNETSOV BRIDGE #1

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VIKRAMADITYA BRIDGE #2

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KUZNETSOV BRIDGE #3

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VIKRAMADITYA PLOT AREA #4

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KUZNETSOV PLOT AREA #4

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VIKRAMADITYA PLOT AREA #5

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KUZNETSOV PLOT AREA #5

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Mostly veruy similar, but the radar displays and the plot displays are newer on the Vikramaditya and not so vintage. No doubt about that.

I really like to know if crew quarters, plumbing and head etc have been totally redesigned and updated. That's important to the well being and morale of the crew. I have heard that Russian carriers especially the Kiev class is notorious for having mediocre even crappy facilities for the crew. I hope the Indian sailors are a lot luckier than the Russians.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Crew accommodations on the Vikramaditya

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I am willing to bet that those are certainly officers accomodations. Four to a cabin with its own head probably.

I believe kwaig was referring to the enlisted personnel's birthing. Probably below Petty Officer rank. It would be interesting to see how they have to live.

As stated, the US Nimitz nuclear carriers have some large spaces holding upwards of 200 personnel, who had to leave that area to take a shower. The new Ford Class will have spaces for 30 personnel, and each space will have its own showers and heads.

Russia is well known for having less confortable birthing in these times. It will be interesting if India had any modifications made to the older Kieve Class accomodations for the enlisted ranks.

Here's officer's accomodations on the Indian Navy's new Shivalick Frgates for comparison.

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thunderchief

Senior Member
Night take-off , waist position (from 0:29)

[video=youtube;p9DcPnr9jOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9DcPnr9jOQ[/video]
 
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