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Stealthflanker

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The Indians think just giving some peanuts to GTRE to make Kaveri is enough.

yep and it Backfired HARD. Their engine initiative was 1980's yet no Tejas or anything really ever fly with the indigenous engine. Which kinda bizzare like they understand the strategic value of sovereign jet engine manufacturing capability yet investing so little. It's not like they are in short of capable scientists but, the political will doesnt seem to be there.

Also weird tendency to rely on "Magical TOT" will quickly solve the problem.

If AL-41 is required to use PESA radar like Irbis-E how come early PLA aircraft like early J-20, early J-10C, and J-15T could operate AESA with AL-31?

The key is in the generator design. Not necessarily the engine. I recently figured that aircraft jet engine actually already provide high RPM, which suitable for high power generation. Typical Engine mounted generator will "tap" its power from the engine's High pressure compressor/turbine shaft, this typically provide some 10000-20000 RPM or more. If one ask why ? The reason is that there are not much RPM differences in flight condition, this simplify the CSD (Constant Speed Drive) Or overall transmission and generator design. If low pressure compressor and fan shaft are used, then the generator would be more complex as it has to ensure uniformity of power being generated across the RPM of the stage which can be as low as 900 RPM to up to near the high pressure compressor/turbine value.

The next roadblock is generator design, particularly the rotor and stator. 2 Important metric exist namely the current carrying capability of the stator per sqmm and the amount of magnetic flux in the rotor in Tesla. The former can be improved by better cooling while the latter is to use say Permanent Magnet or some other exotic system (e.g Superconducting rotor).

You can use electric motor proportionality equation here to calculate the power

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The RPM value should be converted to "RPS"/Rotation Per Second. For example suppose we have Su-27 generator with 30 KW of power, the
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. Now we want to see the improvements of power when :

-Advanced cooling is used, say Direct immersion and Spray liquid cooling, which allow increase in current density to 28 A/sqmm

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-Use of say permanent magnet based on some fancy rare earth material, increasing the rotor magnetic flux to say 2 Tesla. How much power the generator can produce ? assuming same footprint. Converting the RPM to RPS 8360 RPM, means 133 RPS The power would be :

P(hp) = 0.504^2*0.235*28*2*138.88
P(hp) = 464.25 Hp or about 338 KW. 10 times the value of the original GP-21. Well granted i didnt make power correction (as typically generator is rated in KVa where it needs to be multiplied with correction factor of 0.85)

Use of motor equation might make some people raising their eyebrows but it is appropriate given the same principles of electric motor and generator. Remember EV's motor can be generator too for so called Regenerative braking. One can then see how advanced Chinese EV motor nowadays. That easily translates to better and more powerful aircraft generators.
 
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AlexYe

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What in the world is India trying to accomplish by doing this?
Play both sides again: As is necessary for the 'non alignment' thing india has been doing for ages
The Indians might find out that while the French designed the M88 engine the actual manufacturing is outsourced all over the West. And a lot of the subcontractors won't share their IP.
Does M88 engine also rely on that US company? The news that came from india regarding the AMCA engine pick was saffran, something about m88 v4 engine that will do 120kN and will be co-developed by india and saffran (aka india will pay them to do all the work)
but they also said 100% transfer of tech/ ip rights and everything which seems hella surprising, Havnt seen any news confirming this from french side.
 

zyklon

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First, they need to bring back the Western educated Indians home to help out.

Why would (more than a small minority of) Western educated Indians — who are able to reside in FIVEYE countries or even the EU — want to return to what President Trump may soon openly characterize as a "shithole?" :p

The best thing about being self sufficient like China is they dont need to depend on any countries for the most part. If they need something they will build it on the spot. For countries that are not self-sufficient, they need to buy weapons from another countries which is a hassle. There is a possible that no one will sell to you.

The problem here is that despite the Indian military being relatively weak vis-a-vis the size of the Indian population, the powers that be in New Delhi feel a constant need to project an image of martial prowess owing to domestic political considerations.

Anyone who've logged onto "Indian Twitter" can tell you just how obnoxiously proud, if not laughably deluded the Jai Hind! Jai Bharat! community is. The Indian public wants, demands and expects to be able to take pride in their military, and the Indian authorities can't say no! :D

It's the principal reason why Indian military parades, despite significant "differences in aesthetics," are almost as impressive as ;), and even more frequent than China's:


TBF, at the same time, the Indian military is a source of political legitimacy and a vehicle for national unity for both the nationalist BJP and the broader Indian state.

It's arguably "good politics" for PM Modi and his political cohorts:


However, there's a price — in terms of opportunity cost — for the political legitimacy brought forth by the Indian military, on top of the trillions of rupees spent.

Ironically, domestic programs — that may not bear fruit for a decade or two, if not longer — are neglected so the Indian MoD can afford to buy shiny foreign toys like the Dassault Rafale to help the IAF and BJP flex in public.

To put it succinctly: the Indian military-industrial complex is struggling to become self sufficient because the Indian government prioritizes optics over substance.
 

Deino

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Again something to smile ;)


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Well, I have to admit, I don't know the author (
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) and, at least to me, he's never struck me as an expert on China... but the fact that he works for Helion and Tom Cooper certainly doesn't speak in his favor!
(But that's just my malice.)

My problem is, there's no comparison! This superstition, based on Indian childlike naivety and Modi's Jai Hind megalomania, that the two are equal rivals is simply a joke! You only have to look at the industry and its products, but also at the numbers of weapons systems... it would be like suggesting a comparison of my school's football team against Bayern Munich would have a chance.
 

GiantPanda

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You need your own metallurgy, and your own test facilities. Besides the engine design resources.

Russia has all of that.

The Indians think just giving some peanuts to GTRE to make Kaveri is enough.

They gave peanuts to the Kaveri because it never showed enough promise to warrant the investment.

We are falling for the self-serving Indian narrative that they would be able to be able to build an engine if they had just invested more.

No they couldn't. They have neither the technical ability nor industrial base to realize actual production of a modern turbofan.

India have never built a turbojet or a turboprop. In fact, they had never been able to equip anything, not even a drone, with an indigenous piston. Their main drone programs depend entirely on Rotax.
 

GiantPanda

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This is immensely hilarious. India drone programs are dependent on Chinese parts.

We are not talking about quadcopter drones but major military UAV programs .

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India’s UAV Development Struggles to Take Off

By Matthew Stein
01/22/2025


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India’s acquisition of the MQ-9B UAVs, instead of a system from India, brought to light ongoing issues with UAV development in India as reported on by the accompanying excerpted article from India’s independent think tank, the Observer Research Foundation. The article notes that Indian officials chose the MQ-9Bs over an equivalent Indian system, the TAPAS, due to numerous issues with the latter’s development and testing. The author points out that TAPAS is being revived by the Indian Air Force despite the MQ-9B purchase, but significant issues remain. One of the most notable challenges is that TAPAS is apparently reliant on Chinese parts like other Indian-developed UAVs. While importing parts for UAVs from China is more cost-effective, it could compromise security, and India’s Ministry of Defense has warned the defense industry about sourcing parts for UAVs from China.
 

defenceman

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Hi,
we all are trying to find a solution for Indian IAF specific engine technology
but one should keep in mind beside the infrastructure you shouldn’t be riding
in two boats in one go, after 1992 Indian suddenly jumped into the western
side if they would have stuck with Russian side by hook or crook with all the Indian
money they have already developed something more robust or their money might
have enhanced Russian capabilities to develop su57 way before whatever they have
now an of cource Indian will also be getting the fruits of this development
now specific to Putin regime he knows Indian mentality of India want to be a superpower
or at least regional superpower in that case he also trying to milk the cow as like as the
other western powers so at the end indian got themselves hanging in air hopefully they
will learn something in stick within a single ride boat and get the maximum out of it.
thank you,
 

Sardaukar20

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What in the world is India trying to accomplish by doing this? Philippines has an insignificant military so cooperating with them confers no benefits. And right now, Modi is trying to butter up to China as a counter to getting knocked around by the US. This plays against that, and it's only going to remind China that India isn't trustworthy.
India is just doing what India does. Which is: they want to play imperial games, but don't know what the eff they are doing. India wants to warm up with China, yet it also wants to undermine China. How does that work? No it doesn't, and never have worked.

If we observe India long enough, it is a pattern. India will always backstab. When Nehru was still singing about "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai", he was ordering Indian troops to walk into Chinese territories and shoot any PLA troops that come to stop them. When the PLA responded, he then cried to the world, calling it a "betrayal" of "Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai".

India's joint naval drills with the Philippines is ultimately just noise. India is never gonna come to the PH's aid when it is fighting with China. India's power projection capability in the SCS is laughable. And I doubt that India truly has the balls to face China in the SCS. Still, if India dares to do so, then they are more than welcomed to send their ships to the SCS to be turned into new artificial reefs.
 
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FighterHead

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having the "shit gouged out of them" as they deserve
Can you please control your hatred a little bit.
I understand that some level of strong opinion or even animosity is expected in discussions here, but I urge everyone to avoid taking hatred to an extreme. Please keep the exchanges constructive and avoid letting hostility escalate beyond what’s reasonable.
Can mods moderate this type of hate. Thanks in advance :)
 
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