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valysre

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Sometime last year, we saw some pictures of the Indians training for carrier ops with see-through wire-frame mockups. I do not envy the flight-deck crew who have been trained in such a way suddenly having to maneuver planes in such tight spaces.
 

mack8

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The Rafale M is listed at 11M wingspan.

The MiG-29K folded is just under 6 meters.

This is the MiG-29K folded on Vikrant's elevator.
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It'll be hilarious to see them jerry-rig a process to get the Rafale M with non-folding wings on that elevator -- designed specially by the Russians for the MiG-29k. LOL
The only way i could think is to built some kind of extension on the deck edge elevator so the Rafale is sticking out as much as needed to clear the wings. Of course what this will do to the elevator balance is another matter, at a minimum they will need a beefed up lifting/lowering mechanism and motors.
 

phrozenflame

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Brahmos, among other things coming from airspace control, is enabled by airpower. India doesn't have American/Chinese space asset power, and even those aren't omnipotent.

Also, carriers employ rampages, kh-35s and, soon, brahmos-m.
True but India has more efficient assets to launch Brahmos from Given Pakistan's geography, dont really even need the Naval assets for that tbh unless they wish to do it ar the area around Gwadar and pissing off the entire world by fucking around with global oil trade by attempting to blockade a seldom used port.
 

Gloire_bb

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True but India has more efficient assets to launch Brahmos from Given Pakistan's geography, dont really even need the Naval assets for that tbh unless they wish to do it ar the area around Gwadar and pissing off the entire world by fucking around with global oil trade by attempting to blockade a seldom used port.
Brahmos, in land attack role, is a somewhat expensive way to deliver 300ish warhead with reasonable (not point accurate) precision. It's a good weapon, and it's shown itself very well recently, but it is not a wonder weapon.
Also, when ranges grow and missile uses Hi-lo profile, it becomes reasonably counterable with modern IADS, which Pakistan will likely get more.

Carrier can deliver such strikes cheaper, cleaner, in higher mass. Both Kh-35us and rampages(4/plane) are well proven solutions.

But carrier also does thinks Brahmos can't , or things that enable careful brahmos use.

Carrier creates bubble of airpower presence, almost by default ensuring that further away from Pakistani shores, indian MPAs and MALEs can operate during wartime, and Pakistani ones can't. This is sea superiority.

That allows India to carefully filter Indian Ocean traffic within the framework of IHL. Without it, it's limited to very risky stand off ISR shooting, that easily can hit something else.

It allows relative freedom of maneuver outside of Pakistani shore battery range, and freedom of surface missile incursion (invoking worst memories for PN, i.e. Karachi strikes).

Speaking of far more serious consequences, the fact that carriers can easily deny PN any clarity of what's going on beyond coastal airpower presence, for example, gives India a chance at disarming point blank nuclear strike from Indian boomers(depressed trajectory one).

And so on.
 
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AlexYe

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In fact, I'm not sure Indians designed any of the major systems on Vikrant. Radar, AD, engines, etc. were all sourced from overseas. Fincantari from Italy were involved in the base design of the ship. Their issues again is importing with little seeming control. Yes, that's how you end up with these silly issues. Why build a carrier with such restrictive elevators and no blast deflectors? Why design a new carrier where all the launch points are in the middle of the angled deck precluding any chance simultaneous launch and recovery?
This sounds they were more integrators than makers/builders, but they should have gained some experience while integrating these separate things right, prob should contribute knowledge to their next one. Although its been 10+ years so...idk if that experience is getting used anywhere right now.
Till Raf-M arrive and a new more efficient carrier design is made they are more glory/trophies to parade around vs a force multiplier, is that safe to say?
 

4Tran

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Bramhos can only be carried by Su-30. The Indian Navy's MiG-29s are nearly useless.

This sounds they were more integrators than makers/builders, but they should have gained some experience while integrating these separate things right, prob should contribute knowledge to their next one. Although its been 10+ years so...idk if that experience is getting used anywhere right now.
Till Raf-M arrive and a new more efficient carrier design is made they are more glory/trophies to parade around vs a force multiplier, is that safe to say?
The carriers are just showpieces, Rafales or not. India is unlikely to ever risk them in combat.
 
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