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FairAndUnbiased

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I have always been expecting that sooner or later, India would outright backstab Russia and get real cozy with the West thanks to US pursuasion and Delhi's view that Moscow and Beijing are getting closer ever than before (and that Russia would become China's vassal thanks to the war in Ukraine).

Therefore, China should do its best to bring Russia completely over to its side and have Russia provide assistance to China in terms of intelligence on the Indian military, considering that at present, there are still significant amount of arms caches in India that are sourced from Russia. However, the later might not be very useful, but it would have to do.

Besides, as I have previously mentioned in the PLA Strategy for Taiwan Conflict thread - China must always be prepared for a two-front war - One in the WestPac frontier over Taiwan and the SCS against the US and their "allies", and another one in the Himalayan frontier over Aksai Chin and Aruchal Pradesh against US-backed India.

Of course, the higher priority should be given to the WestPac frontier compared to the Himalayan frontier, since the WestPac is where the key for the ultimate survival of the Chinese civilization state lies (remember that the barbaric invasion of China by Imperial Japan started there). However, whenever possible, the WTC should be able to at least hold off the Indian invasion of Tibet on their own while waiting for the WestPac frontier to be dealt with. The goal is to make the Himalayan frontier into as much of a WW1-style static front as possible. This could last for years, but it should be managable for the PLA thanks to the terrain.

At the same time, the MSS and PAP should monitor Tibet closely for any signs of insurrection movements supported by India, aiming to destabilize Tibet and negatively affect PLA movements in the region. On the flipside, China should massively increase the support of separatist movements in northeastern India for the similar goals of making things difficult for the Indian military in the Sikkim and South Tibet region.

Meanwhile, India-Myanmar relations should also be watched closely by Beijing. If Naypyidaw shows any sign of openly supporting India's actions against China, China should reciprocate in kind WRT the separatist movements in northern Myanmar. In contrary to many's opinion here, I don't think China should rely on any meaningful help from Myanmar.

Plus, China should consider roping Pakistan in to help China and split India's attention. For this, I believe Pakistan doesn't need to invade India - Just massing troops along the Indo-Pakistan border and the Jammu & Kashmir (J&K) region would be helpful to keep some portions of the Indian military attached to the Indo-Pakistani border and the J&K region. However, I wouldn't count on Karachi heavily for their capability in helping China to hold India off, considering that their military leadership has been throughoutly infiltrated by pro-US elements.
IMO, if Myanmar backstabs China, it would be a very stupid own goal. China will always be right there on the border with Yunnan.
 

twineedle

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The nuclear-powered attack submarine deficit of the Indian Navy shows another very good reason for helping the Indian Navy get its third aircraft carrier fast. It will not only starve the Indian Army's budget, but also prevent the Indian Navy from having sufficient funds to buy French nuclear-powered attack submarines. Currently the Indian Navy has one SSN leased from Russia and it sounds like it can do harm to Chinese shipping.



On the other hand, the aircraft carriers of the Indian Navy look like targets.



It seems to me the real reason India wants a third aircraft carrier is because having it looks good. Indians are certain they will become a global power any day now and having a fleet of aircraft carriers matches their grand self perception. The high caste Hindus who run Indian foreign policy probably make up 90% or more of Delhi's strategic community. The group is an unusually vain and prideful people. We should psychologically take advantage of their deficiency, a combination of vanity, ingrained sense of superiority, and excessively optimstic projections of their own economic potential, to cheaply undermine their military effectiveness.
India no longer operates the chakra. India's current nuclear sub is the arihant, although the second ship in it's class(the arighat) is undergoing sea trials and will be inducted this year.
 

gelgoog

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India operated the Chakra (Akula class submarine) they loaned from Russia as idiots. Not only they gave US Navy sailors access to the interior of the submarine, betraying Russian trust in granting them access to such a strategic resource as a nuclear attack submarine, they also burned it inside and flooded it with seawater.
 

beijing_bandar

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Serious Khalistan secession developments in the last 24 hours in India.

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For background on the Khalistan movement because this is an obscure topic for non-Indians, I have edited down the helpful explainer ChatGPT generated for me.

The Khalistan movement is essentially a secessionist movement of Sikhs who seek to establish an independent state called Khalistan in the Punjab region of India, where the majority of the Sikh population lives. The movement traces its roots back to the 1940s, but it gained momentum in the 1980s and early 1990s when the demand for an independent Sikh state became more vocal and violent clashes between Sikh militants and Indian security forces increased. The movement's supporters argue that Sikhs have historically been discriminated against by the Indian government, and that they have a distinct religious and cultural identity that justifies their demand for self-determination. However, the Indian government views the Khalistan movement as a threat to the country's unity and territorial integrity, and it has taken measures to suppress the movement, including military action and restrictions on civil liberties.

I further asked ChatGPT to explain to me why the Khalistan movement is scarier to Indians than any other secession movement in a country with numerous groups demanding secession.

The Khalistan movement is perceived as a particularly sensitive and potentially dangerous issue for the Indian government, in part because Sikhs are well-represented in the army and government of India. Sikhs have a long history of serving in the Indian armed forces and have played a prominent role in many of India's military conflicts. Additionally, Sikhs occupy important positions in the Indian government, including in the bureaucracy, judiciary, and police force. This integration of Sikhs in the Indian Army and government means that the secessionist demand for Khalistan could potentially lead to a rupture in the country's social and political fabric, as well as pose a security threat to the country. There is a fear that the secessionist movement could cause a split within the Indian army and security forces, leading to internal conflicts and instability.

We must study and understand the Khalistan movement. The threat to support Khalistan is a powerful tool for us to get the Indians to back away from hostilities.
 

siegecrossbow

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Serious Khalistan secession developments in the last 24 hours in India.

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For background on the Khalistan movement because this is an obscure topic for non-Indians, I have edited down the helpful explainer ChatGPT generated for me.



I further asked ChatGPT to explain to me why the Khalistan movement is scarier to Indians than any other secession movement in a country with numerous groups demanding secession.



We must study and understand the Khalistan movement. The threat to support Khalistan is a powerful tool for us to get the Indians to back away from hostilities.

I don’t understand why the Five Eyes allow this to happen. Are they fomenting trouble so they can brain drain talents faster?
 

caudaceus

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Serious Khalistan secession developments in the last 24 hours in India.

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For background on the Khalistan movement because this is an obscure topic for non-Indians, I have edited down the helpful explainer ChatGPT generated for me.



I further asked ChatGPT to explain to me why the Khalistan movement is scarier to Indians than any other secession movement in a country with numerous groups demanding secession.



We must study and understand the Khalistan movement. The threat to support Khalistan is a powerful tool for us to get the Indians to back away from hostilities.
The Indian high Comissioner (embassy) in UK was surrounded by them and even they brought down the Indian flag. Quite crazy.
 

beijing_bandar

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I don’t understand why the Five Eyes allow this to happen. Are they fomenting trouble so they can brain drain talents faster?
I would not attribute the Khalistan movement to the work of outside sponsors except for Pakistan. I can think of no race of people with stronger will in national self determination and the gut level instinct to fight than Sikhs. The single most important factor in all of this is the Sikh warrior mojo.
 

Ash46

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India operated the Chakra (Akula class submarine) they loaned from Russia as idiots. Not only they gave US Navy sailors access to the interior of the submarine, betraying Russian trust in granting them access to such a strategic resource as a nuclear attack submarine, they also burned it inside and flooded it with seawater.
Any credible sources for that?
The Indian media denied it claiming it was just propaganda by vested interests.
The sub did operate in India till 2021 when its lease was due to expire according to original aggreement. I have my doubts about your claims since if it were true it clearly would have been in violation of the terms of agreement and Russia would have called the sub earlier rather than waiting for the lease to expire.
 

Ash46

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I don’t understand why the Five Eyes allow this to happen. Are they fomenting trouble so they can brain drain talents faster
I doubt it has anything to do with five eyes. Sure they might exploit the vulnerability of social fabric but considering their top priority is china I doubt they would fuel this thing currently and risk alienating India. These things are not going to be solved soon so the opportunity to exploit them would remain even decades into the future. Regarding brain drain, well be rest assured it will continue for a long time as the government isn't really competent enough. There's shortage of jobs, corruption, incompetence, cronyism, pollution and dear lord abundance of idiots (hundreds of millions) who are hell bent on imposing their regressive ideologies on others. I know quite a lot of people who emigrated not for money, they were earning quite a lot in India too, but just to be away from such people.
I would not attribute the Khalistan movement to the work of outside sponsors except for Pakistan. I can think of no race of people with stronger will in national self determination and the gut level instinct to fight than Sikhs. The single most important factor in all of this is the Sikh warrior mojo.
Atleast according to the Indian intelligence the funding is coming from ISI (mostly) and other groups, prolly Canada and such where Sikhs have a seizable number.
I am not so sure about their passion for self determination really. I mean the best regiments and top generals that India has hail from that state so yeah they are one of the most patriotic bunch. The current state of Punjab is really dire. There is a drug epidemic going on in the state and there's no jobs for people to work in. Also you can account for the wounds from the Sikh massacre that still might be fresh for many people. The social fabric is seriously degrading there and hence you can relate to the huge number of immigrants to Canada being mostly Sikhs.
Things sure are heating up a bit and government has already arrested hundreds of people. I don't really see the possibility of them seceding from the union.
 
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