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ZeEa5KPul

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Let's all stop with the personal attacks.
Let's not "both sides" the issue.
The important points have been raised and it's clear India has not power to do such a thing since they have barely a token number of 4th gen fighters at Andamans. Less airpower than the J-15s onboard a single CV.
It's not "both sides" who insist on keeping this ridiculous fantasy going.
It's really such a stupid hypothetical anyway. Sort of like discussing the Chinese invading the US mainland.
It certainly is. Whose fault is it for sustaining this stupid hypothetical for pages?
We can revisit this topic
Unfortunately, it's not up to you whether or not we revisit this, it's up to a specific side. As I said before, it's not a "both sides" issue.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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Come on guys. It's not as if we haven't tried. He's keeps coming back and forth with his drivel and derailing the thread. If he wants to discuss blockading the Malacca, then start a new thread. And who ever wants to maintain him can do so to the hearts content.
 

Gloire_bb

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And btw PLARF is exactly the kind of tool PLA uses to destroy airbases with
This is an important detail (not even in the Indian context - the very same fact is applicable to, for example, Chinese SCS bases, which everyone likes to "destroy").
While reinforced aircraft hangars and other infrastructure per se can be destroyed - airfields themselves essentially can't (discounting nukes).
There is simply only so much you can do by a limited number of payloads(dozens of warheads) with a huge flat reinforced piece of land.

1. Even when specialized warheads are employed - typical damage to runways is repairable within hours. The most classic case is 13.11.1942 bombardment of the Henderson airfield - when whole airfield was meticulously battered by two battleships. An equivalent of several hundred(!) BMs were meticulously and precisely offloaded on a complex of just 1.5 airfields(main and auxiliary strip). The very next day airfield was operational enough to launch some strikes(and sink ships) - and in the Andaman case we're talking about many times more.
This doesn't mean BR strikes are meaningless - quite the opposite, the abovementioned action was an extreme success, which almost won Japanese the whole campaign. But it won't "destroy" the airfield.

2. Provided opponent did bother to properly disperse aircraft, fuel, technical/flight personnel, and so on - they're likely to survive and be employed. So, basically, your opponent has to make a very big mistake of negligence for it to work. Incompetence-level negligence.

3. Fighters with sufficient STOL performance are likely to be able to take off/land anyways - undamaged parts of runways . Su-30MKI is one of them.
It's more complicated with heavier aircraft, but the most crucial ones - heavy transport aircraft, which may bring key replacement stuff - do have STOL and unpaved field capability.

Guess what... Indian airfields in Andamans is even within reach of CJ-10 cruise missiles from mainland China. PLAN can bombard it from the Gulf of Thailand as well. I'm sure the Thai and Burmese won't mind missiles flying past a slither of their nations for a few seconds.
Only close allies(who are already on your side in this war) don't mind such things, because this is an act of aggression in a sense of UN charter. Both to the state trespassed, and for the state trespassed itself in relation to the belligerent(in this case - India).
There is however a way to launch them either from the Northern axis(from Tibet, over West bengal) or simply by aircraft/ships launching them through straits (H-6s have enough range to make it happen).
Finally, newer PLAN submarines can do it as well - and be much sneakier at that (no extreme ranges=use of Lo-Lo-Lo profile). But on a comparatively smaller scale.
Expending dozens of MRBM just to negate IAF presence in Andamans is more than worth it when China has hundreds if not over a thousand MRBMs and can produce them faster than any other on earth.
You're expending a ~1-2 dozens per airfield (strip crossings; key storage areas and facilities; aircraft parking; fuel storage; barracks), and they are very unlikely to permanently put airfields out of commission(see above). Increasing tonnage per airfield after this number will do disproportionally less per effort spent. And tbh it's probably better to spend additional missiles over time for the same targets instead of adding new holes in less critical areas.
It's certainly worth doing it (and launch ALCM strikes as well), but expecting so many airbases to be shut down because of that is probably wrong.
 

weig2000

Senior Member
More than two years after the revocation of 370, a review and reflection on India's current strategic plight. India is not in the same league as China; Modi should reach out to Xi Jinping for a 3rd summit otherwise it will be further embedded into the QUAD, etc. etc.

Interesting to watch.

 

Xsizor

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More than two years after the revocation of 370, a review and reflection on India's current strategic plight. India is not in the same league as China; Modi should reach out to Xi Jinping for a 3rd summit otherwise it will be further embedded into the QUAD, etc. etc.

Interesting to watch.

Primarily because of Covid and ofcourse the fabled Indian inefficiency ( incompetency tbh and putting it bluntly).
India won't reach out to China anymore. Very unlikely. India stands to gain much from West ( economically). Further embedding into QUAD is what's going to happen.

If China knows the game, it'd completely sanitize Afghanistan and make Indian neighbourhood tense. China's trump card against India remains Pakistan. Always.
If India knows the game, it will court Vietnam and take advantage of other ASEAN in the SCS. Taiwan and Japan will be top priorities too.
 

Sardaukar20

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Weren’t they laughing it off as Chinese propaganda last year? What happened???

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That's how they've always functioned.

China does something novel =
Propaganda, fake, useless, China copycat, joke, etc..

India copies something from China =
Brilliant, novel, cutting edge, better than China, Jai Hind!
 

ansy1968

Major
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Primarily because of Covid and ofcourse the fabled Indian inefficiency ( incompetency tbh and putting it bluntly).
India won't reach out to China anymore. Very unlikely. India stands to gain much from West ( economically). Further embedding into QUAD is what's going to happen.

If China knows the game, it'd completely sanitize Afghanistan and make Indian neighbourhood tense. China's trump card against India remains Pakistan. Always.
If India knows the game, it will court Vietnam and take advantage of other ASEAN in the SCS. Taiwan and Japan will be top priorities too.
@Xsizor correct bro, Pakistan is China trump card, need to strengthen Pakistan thru CPEC. Whatever the Indians do it doesn't reflect the reality on the ground, They are as of now irrelevant, courting ASEAN you must willingly give something which the Indians can't afford, security nahhh!!!! can't even scare its neighbor, economics duhhhh!!!! they may beg for aid instead of helping you. Its embarrassing, India need 20 years of peaceful economic development like what China did during the 1990's after the 1989 TM. My advise focus on internal development first before embarking on a glorify adventure abroad.
 

siegecrossbow

Lieutenant General
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That's how they've always functioned.

China does something novel =
Propaganda, fake, useless, China copycat, joke, etc..

India copies something from China =
Brilliant, novel, cutting edge, better than China, Jai Hind!

How could it be better than China when it is most likely assembled from a knock down kit sold from Shenzhen?
 

T 90s

Just Hatched
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Well, they used AKM before,
But it seems they're basically dropping 5.56x45 from army use; not only their 203s are 7.62x39, but their new SIGs are 7.62x51 too.
This is quite clearly a deliberate decision.

Would be interesting to hear reasons from Indians themselves - they tried quite hard to switch to 5.56, only to suddenly throw it out in a few years.
7.62x39 offer more power than 5.56x45
 

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