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HaldilalSDF

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This guy is seriously predicting that the Indian 13,000 ton warship is superior to the Type 055.

The Type 055 which has been commissioned, compared to the Indian 13kt which has not even been launched, laid down, funded, or even publicly reported to have a design locked in.

And thats not even mentioning that literally 100% of all Indian procurement decisions with a value over $100m have been delayed by 100s of % and have had cost overruns in the hundreds to thousands of %.

And none of that even takes into account the third world finish quality, maintenance standards, organizational ability, or skill level of the industrial workforce, contractors, or military personnel.
And your is also assumptions.
 

Xizor

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This guy is seriously predicting that the Indian 13,000 ton warship is superior to the Type 055.

The Type 055 which has been commissioned, compared to the Indian 13kt which has not even been launched, laid down, funded, or even publicly reported to have a design locked in.

And thats not even mentioning that literally 100% of all Indian procurement decisions with a value over $100m have been delayed by 100s of % and have had cost overruns in the hundreds to thousands of %.

And none of that even takes into account the third world finish quality, maintenance standards, organizational ability, or skill level of the industrial workforce, contractors, or military personnel.
I know. I just didn't want to escalate it further.

There is some reasoning behind Indian plans for Project 18 -

South Korea has the Sejong TG. Japan will be building heavier destroyers. China has the Type 055 and O55 A in works.

So India can't afford to be left behind.

However, I think India is committing a mistake here. Ideally, if I were Indian military planner, I'd have tried to expand upon the numbers of the current destroyer P17i

Even if they are 7000-8000 tons, I would have tried to indigenize the Gturbines and all subsystems including creating UVLS and AESA radars.

Well, there is a saying - "Never stop your enemy while he is making a mistake".

China had done this in the type 052 destroyers.
 

HaldilalSDF

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I know. I just didn't want to escalate it further.

There is some reasoning behind Indian plans for Project 18 -

South Korea has the Sejong TG. Japan will be building heavier destroyers. China has the Type 055 and O55 A in works.

So India can't afford to be left behind.

However, I think India is committing a mistake here. Ideally, if I were Indian military planner, I'd have tried to expand upon the numbers of the current destroyer P17i

Even if they are 7000-8000 tons, I would have tried to indigenize the Gturbines and all subsystems including creating UVLS and AESA radars.

Well, there is a saying - "Never stop your enemy while he is making a mistake".

China had done this in the type 052 destroyers.
Well many would consider this as a startegic mistake but only time will tell that this project succeed or fail. Second Already Nilgiri Successors Vessel are planned which are planned to be build atleast 12. So larger frigates will cover the role left by the smaller destroyers.
 

HaldilalSDF

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And it's not Project 17I there is nothing like that it's Project 15, Project 15A Project and 15B class destroyer's. Project 17 and Project 17A are the are the Frigate Class.
 

Xizor

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And it's not Project 17I there is nothing like that it's Project 15, Project 15A Project and 15B class destroyer's. Project 17 and Project 17A are the are the Frigate Class.
Yeah, made a mistake.
I was referring to the 15B.

Many components of 15B hasn't been made indigenous yet so the costs for the bigger 18 as well as the time for building would be higher.

Not very good.
 

HaldilalSDF

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And many get confused so will clear the confuaion in India and many commonwealth countries Smaller vessels get launched with the Superstructure and the larger vessel don't get launched with the SuperStructure. That's the difference between many other navies like the American's.
 

HaldilalSDF

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Yeah, made a mistake.
I was referring to the 15B.

Many components of 15B hasn't been made indigenous yet so the costs for the bigger 18 as well as the time for building would be higher.

Not very good.
Well now many systems sub systems and sensor are being built in India like the propulsion system's rudders and propeller i posted about it's some pages back. And even the missiles are more indeginiously produced. And domestic built radars are being used in most smaller vessel and larger naval radars are being developed. Will post about it's. What is the challenge is the electric propulsion, and new technologies And of course the naval gun system's.
 

HaldilalSDF

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The VL-SRSAM, which is likely to enter service in the next few years will be retrofitted on the IN warships. That will increase the VLS count on the Kolkata/Vizag DDG further.
 

ougoah

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The VL-SRSAM, which is likely to enter service in the next few years will be retrofitted on the IN warships. That will increase the VLS count on the Kolkata/Vizag DDG further.

VLS numbers can only increase on a designed to increase basis. A smaller missile will not increase VLS numbers but can increase missile payload if they can be dual or quad packed etc. I don't know if the SR or MR SAMs being developed by India are thinner than the Barak-8, a very compact missile... it's main advantage.

LR SAMs are needed by Indian Navy and won't be easy to carry around in numbers without larger ships with better designs than Kolkata.
 
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