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I thought like you said Indian force in that area is much much more superior than anybody
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I thought like you said Indian force in that area is much much more superior than anybody
An army marches on its stomach - Napoleon Bonaparte
Amassing some supposedly 70K military personnel along with (again) supposedly some hundreds of armored vehicles on a mountainous and rather narrow area isn't exactly the best idea. India lacks both the infrastructure and the equipment to provide sustainable logistics for a possible engagement. With a small but efficient force, PLA can easily disrupt the already stretched supply lines. After that, the attrition would do the job rather than actual fighting...
Why brave Indian soldiers didn't go rescue their fallen soldiers?
Photo shows some Indian soldiers were being tied up. It suggest that the Chinese side got control of the situation and Indian were beaten back leaving the injured behind.
Still need more information though.
According to the latest I've read from Chinese sources (to give their perspective):
1. The soldier captured by the Indian troops in the video was a communications officer trying to notify Chinese troops regarding the border incursion.
2. His capture sparked the massive border brawl that followed.
3. Apparently 72 Indian soldiers were injured during the brawl.
4. Metallic pipes were used by Chinese soldiers.
Let's see how Modi responds to this. If Indians actually constructed anything in disputed territory, that's a problem for the CCP. First this needs to be shown and so far there is only some Indian suggestions they've constructed structures on disputed land - taking advantage of their calculations that China cannot afford a war with India now. How true this is we'll probably never know and how the CCP acts if this is true, we'll also probably never know. Although I hope we do find out what really eventuated and eventuates.
Forget the metal pipes, they need to sort out this childish nonsense and either have a proper go or both sides withdraw (more likely). Indians are in a hurry to spin this whichever way yet actions speak louder than words. Fact, all major Indian media have been ordered to abandon the video footage, calling it unofficial hence distancing Indian politics from this. Fair enough, they don't want to give justification to further aggression from PLA which seems to have been dealt out. Some will claim the photo predates the video, this is unproven and again the usual side is making claims with no evidence and always making claims of convenience. Fact, PLA has subdued at least 5 Indian soldiers before, during, or after the video's capture of a group of thugs beating one guy (very tough and medal worthy action like Abhi's heroic action of ejecting). Everything else are claims and poorly spun conjecture... all from India's side. Have you noticed there is no speculation or claims made by China's side. So far just a photo to get the morons to back off and provide Modi with a coward's way out of this mess. There's probably more to share if Modi doesn't chill. CCP definitely doesn't want a war and cannot afford to play this game but if Modi forces CCP's hand without giving the CCP an out, then both sides are stuck between a rock and a hard place with only one possible eventuality, war. At least Chinese are sensible enough to recognise that there will be costs to a war... meanwhile Indians are smoking some seriously potent stuff thinking for years they are a far superior force to PLA and can "crush China" with ease. It's all easy talk when it doesn't happen.
Forget the metal pipes, they need to sort out this childish nonsense and either have a proper go or both sides withdraw (more likely). Indians are in a hurry to spin this whichever way yet actions speak louder than words. Fact, all major Indian media have been ordered to abandon the video footage, calling it unofficial hence distancing Indian politics from this. Fair enough, they don't want to give justification to further aggression from PLA which seems to have been dealt out. Some will claim the photo predates the video, this is unproven and again the usual side is making claims with no evidence and always making claims of convenience. Fact, PLA has subdued at least 5 Indian soldiers before, during, or after the video's capture of a group of thugs beating one guy (very tough and medal worthy action like Abhi's heroic action of ejecting). Everything else are claims and poorly spun conjecture... all from India's side. Have you noticed there is no speculation or claims made by China's side. So far just a photo to get the morons to back off and provide Modi with a coward's way out of this mess. There's probably more to share if Modi doesn't chill. CCP definitely doesn't want a war and cannot afford to play this game but if Modi forces CCP's hand without giving the CCP an out, then both sides are stuck between a rock and a hard place with only one possible eventuality, war. At least Chinese are sensible enough to recognise that there will be costs to a war... meanwhile Indians are smoking some seriously potent stuff thinking for years they are a far superior force to PLA and can "crush China" with ease. It's all easy talk when it doesn't happen.
The timing of the video is odd to say the least. China was very quiet about the border clash (compared with Doklam) until the video was released.
CCP may even have been willing to let matters slide and allow India construction to settle the matter. Who knows. Maybe the deal was Modi had to keep this a total secret with zero leaks. This way India gets what they want, China gets peace from this border dispute, and China barely loses much since the region is relatively of little value compared to the fresh water sources of Tibet and vast mineral wealth of the region. Except maybe Modi's camp wanted to have its cake and eat it too. This comes at a cost to CCP if word gets out to the Chinese public. Maybe the whole thing is a Chinese false flag op where some Chinese agents leaked the video, providing justification to act. Who knows what's even really happening there in terms of intrusions and constructions. There is absolutely no solid evidence or reputable sources with corroborating information on who intruded where and built what. All we can tell is there was some reason for flare up and there was some low level fighting happening.
Personally I can't see how the CCP cannot be pragmatic about this border and just allow India to take it but not go about gloating. That would be my deal. It's a constant pain in the ass and it gives China nothing in return except the occasional headache. I'm sure India would also rather end this, particularly if they get the disputed land. All they'd need to do is keep their mouths shut about it so the Chinese public won't learn about the CCP giving up land that to be honest is of insignificance to China as a historic nation. Something like Taiwan or Diayudao would be another matter. But who knows... maybe Modi screwed up or maybe there's really nothing here to see outside of brawls getting out of hand.
According to Chinese sources they were either communications or liaison officers.
What is said to have happened, and certainly with greater possibility of being believable and true, is that the driver was always in the vehicle as expected. One or two Chinese individuals exited to talk with the Indian soldiers and whatever transpired was followed by an Indian attack on the one or two individuals. If there were two who exited the vehicle, one of them managed to get away as the group of Indians attacked while the other wasn't as lucky and suffered injuries, who knows how serious.
This almost certainly happened and now the Indian politicians have demanded their media to abandon the footage in fear of repercussions which have started after PLA released the other photo. Modi probably knows PLA has much more to show if he doesn't put a leash on his media dogs. If he keeps playing up the gloating, CCP will be forced to show the reality. If he backs off, both sides will back off since it's not in China's interest to risk the Indian market and go to some silly wankfest war for no rewards even if it wins. Who knows how Modi will react. I believe Modi and his clowns timed their drama perfectly since they've realised it's totally against China's interest to have a war with India especially now. Whether or not their gamble pays off remains to be seen. Right now we'll need to see how India responds since it's clear the embarrassment has been turned back to India... India shows a group of soldiers beating one guy and China after that Indian video shows who knows how many Indian soldiers being totally subdued and some at least seriously beaten. Indian bhakts absolutely NEED to convince themselves and the world that the Indian video came after the Chinese photo. So what if it did. So a group of thugs beat up one guy and therefore Jai Hind victory! Ignore the entire group of soldiers subdued.