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I am a bit confused of Indian nuke warhead technology, my understanding is that India hasn't successfully tested H-Bomb (from credible sources), so all Indian nukes are believed to be fission bomb which would be significantly large to be able to achieve lets say 90 kt TNT. It wouldn't be practical to put it into solid fuel IRBM, let alone SLBM as it would be too big

My question is why India so determined to build SSBN when India hasn't got proper nuke warhead technology? ... or do I miss something here?

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note : INS Arihant is relatively very small SSBN (6,000 tonnes)
Chinese Type 092 (built in 1981) : 8,000 tonnes
Chinese Type 094 (commissioned in 2007) : 11,500 tonnes
French Triomphant class (1997) : >14,000 tonnes
British Vanguard-class (1993) : > 15,000 tonnes
American Ohio class (1981) : > 18,000 tonnes
 
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In fact she is not a real SSBN in more carry SLBM with a short range, K-15 700 km only " more " SSBN after with K-4.

094 do 9000 t.

Futur Vikrant have a similar size with Charles De Gaulle 40000 t, 262 m...
 
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Are the highlighted weapons elevators in sensible positions? I feel like the aft if not both the aft and bow weapons elevators will impede on the landing strip, and the ability to transport aircraft and munitions from the flight deck and hangar without interrupting landing operations is I think a fairly important capability. From what I've read, the Forrestal class' bow port aircraft elevator was rarely used because it impeded on the landing strip as well.

I believe most carriers do not featuer weapons elevators in such positions... but I'm not too sure.
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Well, personally, I am not sure that those depictions of weapons elevators are right.

I was looking more at the over all pic and the progress on the structure, Island, main elevators, etc.
 
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antiterror13 said:
...all Indian nukes are believed to be fission bomb which would be significantly large to be able to achieve lets say 90 kt TNT. It wouldn't be practical to put it into solid fuel IRBM, let alone SLBM as it would be too big

My question is why India so determined to build SSBN when India hasn't got proper nuke warhead technology? ... or do I miss something here?
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Because anything in terms of SLBM is far better than nothing.

India has put something to sea, and will be upgrading their missiles as they go.

When China put forth the 1st Type 092, it was a similar situation = in terms of their reach and abilities.

As time goes on, India will produce both better missiles and better subs. As it is, they have produced a nuclear powered submarine capable of carrying a few nuclear missiles that could be launched from wherever that sub can go.

Anyone will have to respect that.
 
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antiterror13 said:
I am a bit confused of Indian nuke warhead technology, my understanding is that India hasn't successfully tested H-Bomb (from credible sources), so all Indian nukes are believed to be fission bomb which would be significantly large to be able to achieve lets say 90 kt TNT. It wouldn't be practical to put it into solid fuel IRBM, let alone SLBM as it would be too big

My question is why India so determined to build SSBN when India hasn't got proper nuke warhead technology? ... or do I miss something here?
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Boosted fission warheads are usually between 20-50kt and that should be enough for deterrence. Of course it's likely that India never tested such weapon so there is no guarantee their boosted weapons would work as planned in real situation.

Is 20-50kt enough for deterrence depends a lot of how Chinese leadership thinks about it... I doubt they would like to see large Chinese cities being hit by several 20-50kt warheads.
 
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Naval Today said:
‘Sardar Patel’, the latest Naval establishment of Indian Navy, was commissioned at Porbandar, Gujarat on May 9.

The event marked yet another important milestone in the Navy’s efforts to augment the security infrastructure in the coastal states and islands.

The commissioning ceremony was marked by traditional gaiety and naval precision.

Speaking on the occasion, Admiral RK Dhowan, Chief of the Naval Staff, noted that the commissioning of a full-fledged naval base Sardar Patel was another milestone in the commitment of the Indian Navy towards augmenting the coastal surveillance and maritime security infrastructure in the strategically important state of Gujarat.

The commissioning of INS Sardar Patel at Porbandar would enable the Indian Navy to qualitatively augment its infrastructure and organisational effectiveness in the State of Gujarat, which would improve coordination and synergy with other maritime agencies of the Government. This Forward Operating Base (FOB) of Indian Navy in Gujarat and the Headquarters of the Naval Officer-in-Charge (Gujarat, Diu & Daman) would also enhance the logistic support being provided to the Indian Navy units deployed in the Northern Arabian Sea, including along the International Maritime Boundary Line with Pakistan.
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Boosted fission warheads are usually between 20-50kt and that should be enough for deterrence. Of course it's likely that India never tested such weapon so there is no guarantee their boosted weapons would work as planned in real situation.

Is 20-50kt enough for deterrence depends a lot of how Chinese leadership thinks about it... I doubt they would like to see large Chinese cities being hit by several 20-50kt warheads.
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Can you put the warhead (boosted fission) into SLBM ? I'd think just too big and bulky

Is there any country has put boosted fission warhead into their SLBM? anyone?
 
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antiterror13 said:
Can you put the warhead (boosted fission) into SLBM ? I'd think just too big and bulky

Is there any country has put boosted fission warhead into their SLBM? anyone?
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PRC's first was uranium warhead (12-15kt) had weight of 500kg and 90 cm diameter. Most countries would put fission warheads on their submarines if they didn't have anything else... India does't have thermonuclear weapons (at least reliable ones) so they have to use fission warheads.

Fission warheads can be very small.
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(WAPA) - The "The Times of India" announced that New Delhi wants to purchase another two A-50E/I AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) aircraft, a Russian-Israeli co-production based on the Ilyushin Il-76 aircraft destined for India, of which it has already ordered three following an agreement dating back to 2004 valued 1.1 billion dollars.

As declared by a source from the Indian Ministry of Defense, negotiations for the 800 million dollar deal are in their final stages.

This agreement is considered as an extension to the 2004 contract, and according to tabloids, India's desire to acquire a further two units would be the answer to Pakistan's purchase of four Saab-2000 aircraft from Sweden; Islamabad is also waiting to receive the first of four ZDK-3 AWACS aircraft from China.

The A-50E/I AWACS (NATO code name Mainstay) is an aircraft developed by the designers of Beriev, which is the Russian equivalent of the Boeing E-3 Sentry, and is easily recognizable because of its rotodome (rotating radome) which contains the radar antenna. It is equipped with the Israeli Phalcon radar designed specifically for the Indian Air Force.

The Chinese version is called the KJ-2000.


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