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CasualObserver

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The chief of the Indian Air Force (IAF) has confirmed that the service is considering the Sukhoi Su-57E and the Dassault Rafale for acquisition, while speaking further about the IAF's performance during India's brief conflict with Pakistan earlier in 2025.
 

Mt1701d

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Don’t think it really matters, the Indians don’t have much options.

The US is out due to Trump and just because.
The UK is out due to recent deportations and visa issues.
The Chinese are out for obvious reasons.
The Turks are not ready and probably won’t be for years.
The Koreans are not ready and you would basically be buying American.
The Japanese are in same position as Koreans.

They only really have France and Russia left for the jets they might want, therefore reliable or not doesn’t matter and also the opinion of the Indian air chief also doesn’t matter because they have basically just stated the only 2 options they have.
 

Lethe

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The press conference from which this article is derived can be viewed
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. Ignore the stated runtime, it loops after 45 minutes or so.

Relevant excerpts:

10:26
As far as Su-57 is concerned, I just want to say that we have to weigh all the options. We in the defence ministry and the Indian Air Force have a very set process of induction of any weapons system, and that process will be followed, so what comes will depend on what meets the requirement and what is the best for us. And I'm sure whatever decisions are collectively taken will be best for the Indian defence forces.

14:58
So these are one of the options, like Su-57 he talked about, you talked about Rafale. So, these are one of the options that is available with us, because we had already done our own homework in terms of the earlier MMRCA contract in that we found Rafale to be the best aircraft suited for us in those numbers, amongst those candidates. Any aircraft of that class is what is required immediately, whether it is Rafale or something else it really doesn't matter. Yes, Rafale is easy to absorb. So whichever design house is ready to come with the proposal to make in India to give us technology, give us more freedom, I think that design house should be chosen.

So I think ACM A.P. Singh's comments here are more non-committal than the impression garnered from the Janes piece might suggest. Essentially, all we can glean is that pitches have been made (which was already obvious) and apparently have yet to be clearly rejected. There is no suggestion that there is an exclusive or even particular focus on those two aircraft specifically, they were simply those the journalists named in their questions. It is perhaps significant that the response to a query about Su-57 was not along the lines of "we have already evaluated FGFA and deemed it unsuitable for our requirements", but that is not so much a novel development as just another breadcrumb in a line suggesting that the subject remains open (or has been re-opened) for discussion.

And on the timelines for LCA Mk. 1A...

32:19
The Tejas Mk. 1A is being developed based on a certain QRs which was set few years back and our expectations remain exactly the same. We expect the aircraft to be able to behave or to the able to achieve those parameters that are set in the requirements and we are very excited to have this aircraft with us as early as possible. I believe the engine flow has started and some promises are being made. There is some more R&D work which is still pending, that work is still going on. So as soon as they are able to certify the aircraft against the set standards, we are already waiting for them to give us that aircraft.

IAF just brimming with confidence towards DRDO/HAL there...
 
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Puss in Boots

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They only really have France and Russia left for the jets they might want, therefore reliable or not doesn’t matter and also the opinion of the Indian air chief also doesn’t matter because they have basically just stated the only 2 options they have.
Russia's current production capacity obviously does not support its export, so in the end only the Rafale will be purchased. Given that India has no bargaining power in terms of procurement, I believe the price of these aircraft will be very high.
 

Mt1701d

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Russia's current production capacity obviously does not support its export, so in the end only the Rafale will be purchased. Given that India has no bargaining power in terms of procurement, I believe the price of these aircraft will be very high.
I completely agree on the Rafale, it would probably be a really expensive deal with not many or no upsides beyond the jet themselves.

However, I am of 2 mind on the Russian part, I mostly agree but I can see a potential situation where a deal could be struck. With the war, the Russian capacity is tapped out, therefore they will need more capacity from somewhere as well as cash to expand and this is perhaps where the Indians can have a little leverage for a better deal. Tho this is only a slight possibility, a lot of pieces/coincidences have to fall into place together for this to happen.
 

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Not that surprising if true. Few such radars were produced and the naval MiG-29K operates in harsher conditions than ground based aircraft. There were just not many produced in use in Russia to justify investment into radar improvements by them.

Russia's current production capacity obviously does not support its export, so in the end only the Rafale will be purchased. Given that India has no bargaining power in terms of procurement, I believe the price of these aircraft will be very high.
The Russians have enough slack capacity for exports now that they recovered from their airframe losses in the Russo-Ukrainian war.
 
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