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Perhaps they derived combat radius from ferry range and failed to take into account for the fact that Rafale would be only carrying drop tanks while ferrying?
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Yeah, I've been saying the same thing. Rafale is a perfectly decent plane. It being overhyped by Indians isn't a problem with the plane itself but with random Indian copes. It is overpriced, however.
The Indians have only themselves to blame for nixing a much better deal in the early 2010s when France offered a large amount of planes for much cheaper. Modi also dissed the Russians when they offered co-production of SU-57. That's why India gets to overpay, because they didn't do their homework when it counted.
More on the deal from ToI:
I interpret this as "local assembly with zero tech transfer".
Let's go through MiG-29K's strike options:
- Rampage is only mach 1.0-1.6, combine that with high flying, and it's easy target for any SAM. Only thing it has going for it is that it's cheaper than cruise missiles.
- KH-35 is a subsonic cruise missile with 130 km range
- KH-31 being high supersonic is the only relatively good option but with limited range of 70 km and high flying
I am just going by what the Indian Navy has (at least publicly)
The countries around India actually border it. Pakistan and Bangladesh operate in waters adjacent to India. If the Indian carriers actually deploy they would be noticed along the seaboards of both immensely populated nations. There is no way to miss them. In fact, navies who have carriers and could deploy them would deliberately make sure they are noticed to show the flag.
Actually, any navy that can operate carriers in the region would assert them in the massively used trade routes and littorals of the Arabia Sea and Bay Bengal. If they deploy anywhere else it would actually make them irrelevant.
But we know India's carriers do not deploy. There are many, many satellite images for Chinese ones on patrol but hardly any for Indian carriers:
If you have capital ships like carriers and no one even notice them then they are not deploying period.
(1)Treat as MLR missile. Yes, not too difficult. Not a big deal if it's shot down, as it's very reproducible.
Sensible stand off options are not all that available around the world, Israel is arguably among world leaders there (and more broadly in non-strategic albm in general).
(2)MTCR limit for Kh-35u. In any case it's better than Exocet, and there's more of them per aircraft.
(3) Ironically, KH-31 is considered the worst, because speed is the only thing going for it. It's related dumb.
Add on top rafale SCALPs and future Brahmos-MA(though I frankly wonder how much it will lift off the ramp), and even without closing in, strike options are solid.
What Indian decks really need now are:
-more modern AEW helicopter
-more modern ASW helicopters
Upgrades to mig a2a capabilities come somewhere after that. It's desirable, but not absolutely urgent just yet.
Hi,
even after getting su57 or may be F35 Indians primary enemy is on its eastern border with
all the gadgets they are having now or in future they dare to attack China and will try on pakistan
to show their strength until unless QUAD type of alliance come for their back they will never attack
China directly indian will welcome more if some other power use its bases or infrastructure to attack
China directly & its not in the interest of China to attack India so indian can show their might towards
eastern flank to show the world they are eligible for the UN permanent security seat
thank you
even after getting su57 or may be F35 Indians primary enemy is on its eastern border with
all the gadgets they are having now or in future they dare to attack China and will try on pakistan
to show their strength until unless QUAD type of alliance come for their back they will never attack
China directly indian will welcome more if some other power use its bases or infrastructure to attack
China directly & its not in the interest of China to attack India so indian can show their might towards
eastern flank to show the world they are eligible for the UN permanent security seat
thank you
Well, tou do have a point here. I have been sutprised how members here look down on India on almost everything and downplay them in anyway. It looks very similar to the way i see american forums who always look down on China and laugh at their military capabilties vis a vis the US. Lol
The worse thing you can do is look down on your opponent. The same way the americans and westerners found out before and during WWII against Japan. Americans/British used to laugh and look down on anything Japan did and even saw them as inferior even as a race. The same way the Russian empire in the 1905 looked down on Japan until Japan destroyed their entire naval fleet and kicked them out of Asia for the foreseeable future. Lol. That was the first time an Asian power had defeated a European power in the modern era, you would have thought this woulf have been a lesson to other weatern powera but no. The US, Britain, France etc still looked down on them.
WWII was another wake up call for them after the lost to the Japanese earlier in the war from Phillipines to malaysia/Hongkong etc etc. If not for US vast natural resources and industrial might to outproduce Japan, i believe the US would have lost to Japan and be kicked out of Asia forever. So never look down on your opponent NO MATTER WHAT, especially when it becomes a habit in every sector. In fact, its better to overestimate your opponents capabilities tban underestimate them. One word is enough for the wise.
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People do not look down on India due to race. In fact, I would argue India had a lot of respect even couple of years ago in most of the world. But then India slowly got radicalized by BJP into an arrogant fascist state with extreme nationalism. They tried to bully their neighbours and even tried to fight China itself. Indian immigrants themselves started showing arrogance in various countries where they migrated to escape their own poor country. India even assasinated people in the west.
I think all these factors are slowly adding up and people around the world have started to realize how bad India has become when it comes to arrogance. You can be poor. But if you try to act rich and powerful with fake lies and overhype yourself when you are poor, that will make you a target of great contempt.
I see a parallel of India as a poorer version of fascist Italy. Too much arrogance without the strength, organization or national unity to back it. They bit off more than they could chew and then got clobbered by actual great powers.
As I have discussed before, there is a great chance that India gets attacked by both China and US at the same time because of its arrogance. So instead of US trying to entice India to ally with US to jointly fight China, both US and China get tired of India's actions then decide to teach them a lesson.
US starting a trade war on India is an indication of that trend. No more free lunch for India.