Nope. Turbojets and liquid fuel rocket engines are in fact relatively closely related, and require closely related competences.
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Both can very stupid simple ww2 articles, both can be edge level masterpieces.
Back in the Soviet Union Kuznetsov designed both rocket and jet engines. Even just a couple years ago, UEC Saturn needed to manufacture some PD-8 turbofan engine combustion chambers. And they got Energomash to do it. Energomash makes the RD-180 rocket engine. These are flying in the SJ-100 prototypes right now.
The technology to make combustion chambers and high pressure turbines is similar to gas generator líquid rocket engines.
The technology to make combustion chambers and high pressure turbines is similar to gas generator líquid rocket engines.
The reason India is able to build rocket engines but not turbojets is due to lack of infra.
ISRO focused on using their existing infra first, but when they saw their limitations. They got to building it. The new SC-200 engines were also being tested in Ukraine but due to war, they are now being tested in India. Happened because in the interim ISRO managed to build the test stand.
DRDO/GTRE doesn't have a flying test, high altitude test stand, advanced metallurgy facility. Has been depending on existing facilities and Russia for testing.
Easy to see what happened.
ISRO focused on using their existing infra first, but when they saw their limitations. They got to building it. The new SC-200 engines were also being tested in Ukraine but due to war, they are now being tested in India. Happened because in the interim ISRO managed to build the test stand.
DRDO/GTRE doesn't have a flying test, high altitude test stand, advanced metallurgy facility. Has been depending on existing facilities and Russia for testing.
Easy to see what happened.
Why arent they building their own infra/facilities?
Lack of money & will. Never concentrated on domestic development.
Do you know how sanctions work?
Whenever Indian want to develop sth of its own, immediately some foreign companies jump out and say, "Oh, I can offer you sth advanced than you can develop now." Then, Indian put most of money oringinally for domestic R&D to extreme expensive foreign purchase. And delay their domestic develop program due to lack of money.
Years later, when politics climate changes, and foreigners don't offer Indian these things, Indian realize they should focus on domestic development, but find they lose lots of time & money, getting nothing domestic. It's too late to start development now. So they again beg foreigners to buy things with extreme high prices.
If you're really concentrated enough for years, and lucky to finally develop sth of your own, but with a higher prices due to limited initial production rate, soon foreigners come again, say "I can offer my matured things with cheaper prices. Will you buy?". You're trapped again if you want to buy theirs instead of your domestic ones.
So, if you want to be a real power, never trust foreigners. They're just playing with you, all the time.
When Indian ask for full foreign jets like Rafale or Su-30, they're delivered quickly.
When Indian ask for foreign parts, especially engines, for its own developed jets, they're delayed for years.
Bad actors like US, will take your money and delay delivery for years.
No one will really sell advanced tech aboard. But advanced is relevant of time, so with a delay of 5~10+ years, advanced things can be not that advanced, and can be sold/delivered then. This is how trap works.
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And still they dream that they will be successful against the Pakistani and Chinese air forces
Hi,
no one thinking about what went wrong when india made a Rafale deal with France, why not
kind of transfer of technology or at least getting something out of that deal why didn’t they ask
the French to let them install their own UTAM or any other radar if they are able to get it on Rafale
or their own missiles or any other upgrades which they can do or want to do
I was going through a post that whenever india want to build something someone offer them something
someone offer someone in $ dollars may be to let go beside India is trying to ride in two boats
in one go, i k ow Russians are very lazy or their technology might not be better in terms of western
countries but still taking out 250 odd MKI and with no proper upgrades in last 20/25 years seems to
be no good here I’ll give you a little example of link17 for PAF working with western and. Chinese
fighters with Erieye awacs.
stop going towards moon and firing space rockets if you can’t fit a decent AESA in SU MKI and having
something like R37M,
so I think blame can come to not only western coz it’s their priority to sell and sell with a nation with huge
reserves it’s the kindness by Indian politicians and Indian establishment who never thought about long
term instead of dollars and dollars for their own accounts
thank you
no one thinking about what went wrong when india made a Rafale deal with France, why not
kind of transfer of technology or at least getting something out of that deal why didn’t they ask
the French to let them install their own UTAM or any other radar if they are able to get it on Rafale
or their own missiles or any other upgrades which they can do or want to do
I was going through a post that whenever india want to build something someone offer them something
someone offer someone in $ dollars may be to let go beside India is trying to ride in two boats
in one go, i k ow Russians are very lazy or their technology might not be better in terms of western
countries but still taking out 250 odd MKI and with no proper upgrades in last 20/25 years seems to
be no good here I’ll give you a little example of link17 for PAF working with western and. Chinese
fighters with Erieye awacs.
stop going towards moon and firing space rockets if you can’t fit a decent AESA in SU MKI and having
something like R37M,
so I think blame can come to not only western coz it’s their priority to sell and sell with a nation with huge
reserves it’s the kindness by Indian politicians and Indian establishment who never thought about long
term instead of dollars and dollars for their own accounts
thank you
Lethe
Captain
The 2015 G2G deal between India and France to acquire 36 Rafales for IAF followed the collapse of the effort to acquire 126 Rafales under the MMRCA program. The latter would've involved domestic production and robust technology transfer. MMRCA was eventually declared "economically unviable" and abandoned. The 2015 deal was therefore deliberately far more circumscribed, the objective being to deliver some airframes to IAF in compensation for the previous decade of time-wasting and in the absence of other near-term prospects.
There is no doubt that the overwhelming majority of the problems that bedevil the Indian defence and defence-industrial sectors are homegrown. Even when India is not directly at fault, the line of responsibility traces there, as in the case of the recent F404 saga. India chose F404 as the centrepiece of the LCA program. India persisted with that choice and even doubled down on it with F414 for LCA Mk. 2, AMCA and most recently TEDBF despite the experience of the Pokhran II sanctions. India designed an overweight aircraft requiring every bit of thrust it could get, rendering alternative powerplant options unattractive. India starved the Kaveri program for decades by failing to invest in necessary test facilities and failing to embrace that which could actually be achieved by domestic industry. There is no reason why a so-called light fighter cannot operate with the modest outputs attributed to the extant Kaveri engine. For Mk. 1A, India requested a customised high-performance variant of the F404 engine requiring different parts executed under outsourced low-volume production contracts inherently susceptible to disruption and delay. General Electric exists to take your money, that is what they are there for. The responsibility to not be taken for a ride comes back to New Delhi.
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