If Alexander Invade China

crobato

Colonel
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Yes, I was thinking about the similarity of Qin to Napoleonic France, and to Prussia.

The basic tenet is the replacement of the professional mercenary, land owner, feudal lord, knight, slave owner, slave, militia, and conscripted peasant to that of the Patriotic Citizen as the center of soldiery.
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
Another interesting point to compare, is the military doctrine. The contemporary Chinese at the warring state China, if they could wintness the Alexander's Perisa campagne, would feel odd. The first question might well be, "Do Alexander and Darius have to fight the battle themselves"?

When Sun Tze wrote his famous Art of War, it's still the routine in China for head of the state to go to battle himself, command the troops or fight himself. But at Alexander's time, it's a phenomeno long gone in China, the king didn't go to the front, he sent general and staff to the battle field. And even command-in-chief didn't fight, in the biggest battle fought between Qin and Zhou, the first command of Zhao troops was an old man close to 70.

That refects the bigger, and more complicated warfare scale and need for head of state kept away from the battle field, since he was the central nerve of the whole country. In the battle Zhao suffered 450,000 causalties, but King of Zhao still could organize efficient resistance to Qin troop's advance, delayed China's unification for another 40 years. In Alexander's war, Darius fleeing casued his troops collapse, in India shortly after Alexander was wounded by an arrow, the war stopped. But neither of them would happen in China, Chinese depended much on institution instead of on individuals.
 

sinowarrior

Junior Member
good point, during that battle the king of Qin was organizing logistical support to the front troops, and I don’t think the Shi Huang Di led any army to battle. Another achievement of Shang is to place Law as the supreme being of a nation, that everyone is equal before law, noble princes are just same as common peasants, this equality before law really changed Qin fundamentally
 

simonov

New Member
I want to know the Qin general name who kills the 400k POW. In that war how many soldier involve from boyh side?
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
thx fishhead. I want to know who is the chinese general who can match Alex if he invade China..

He would not run into a single general but a bunch of waring states.

At Alexander's time, China was experiencing a transition time - all states were dog-fighting each other while 20 years after Lord of Shang's radical reform, Qin was posing to be the dominant power.

When Alexander fought his way east in 336-323BC China was in the fierce warfare as well:

340BC Qin attacked Wei
333BC Qi fought vs Chu
331BC Qin attacked Wei
328BC Qin attacked Zhao
325BC Qi fought with Han, Zhao
323BC Chu attacked Wei
320BC Yan attacked Zhao
318BC 5 states joined to attacked Qin

Every war was bigger than the battle Alexander fought, like in the Qin-Wei war in 331BC, Wei's KIA was 80,000.
 

Vlad Plasmius

Junior Member
It's theorized that Alexander was died because of his wound in India, taken from armed villagers as I recall. The wound would have made him very vulnerable to the diseases in India. So, it's quite possible Alexander the "Great" was killed by a commoner in India.

Alexander would never have survived fighting China. It's obvious his strategy was about fighting the weak and defenseless when they wouldn't join up with him. It's believed his plan after getting back was to go after Arabia, Carthage, and Italy. All of them were fairly weak at the time. However, it's quite possible he would not have even succeeded there.
 

jason_she

New Member
Registered Member
Simply seen on the map, he can only enter China through the south. And the jungle environment would be a big problem for the Europeans. Even if they get there, they would not be familiar with the landscape. According to the ancient war's experience, landscape is a key factor.
 

peace

Just Hatched
Registered Member
He woud fail. At the same time, though China didn't unify, almost all the kingdoms wanted to establish a uniform emperty. Qin, Chu, Yan, Han, Zhao, Wei and Qi are the strong military power in China, especially Qin, Chu and Zhao. Qin, a kingdom in the west of China, was becoming the stronggest state in the China. I belive if the hypothesis was true, he would be fail.
 
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