Hong-Kong Protests

Mr T said:

I'm not sure if you're aware of the situation, but HK residents have to pay for their food, water, refuse collection, etc. The cost of living in HK generally is higher than in mainland China, even just over the "border" in Shenzhen.

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Chinese people also pay for food, water, refuse collection etc... that's not the point, they still pay taxes... its the national system which guarantees the food, water, refuse collection, the roads, transportation, farmer subsidies, meteorological services, beidou services, water engineering services etc etc etc etc which goes into producing the guaranteed food, water, fuel, and waste. The cost of these public services are not seen by the producers and do not get carried to the consumers. More over, there is also a tremendous cost borne by the state in protecting the public from fluctuations in international prices and supply availability especially in disaster and pandemic years.

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PikeCowboy said:

Chinese people also pay for food, water, refuse collection etc... that's not the point, they still pay taxes... its the national system which guarantees the food, water, refuse collection, the roads, transportation, farmer subsidies, meteorological services, beidou services, water engineering services etc etc etc etc which goes into producing the guaranteed food, water, fuel, and waste. The cost of these public services are not seen by the producers and do not get carried to the consumers.

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This is getting silly, if he is trying to paint HK as a city of victims, then he can applying that logic to almost any city on the planet. If he is trying to paint a sympathetic picture of these rioters and people like Jimmy Lai and Joshua Wong, then he has fail spectacularly

HK protesters really got the beat down today by HK police. They did not allow them to stand for a minute. Last year they were saying how China is afraid of EU and US sanctions. That China will give in due to their extreme violence just to save their money in Hong Kong. But now they are realizing that they miscalculated badly. China will not only take away all their former rights, but will make them worse than Mainlanders in terms of rights and freedoms. Instead of gaining by force, they will lose everything due to their arrogance.

All their pro-western tendencies will be taken out of them bit by bit. Their anti-China hatred will ensure that they are hated, stigmatized and stereotyped as troublemakers and traitors for the next 100 years. If the last 100 years Hkers were known for their superior wealth, next 100 years will see them getting relegated to poverty as Shenzhen and rest of China surpasses them.

galvatron said:

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They should confiscate Joshua Wong's passport for the reason that he may leave HK and meet with his foreign cohorts. That would be a national security threat.

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Donnie Yen. Sorry, typo.

PikeCowboy said:

Chinese people also pay for food, water, refuse collection etc... that's not the point, they still pay taxes...

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If you're saying that HK isn't paying enough tax and should be contributing more to the national coffers, then as I said that's something within the power of the CCP and its allies in the HK business elite that have majority control over HK politics. Ordinary HK residents can't do anything about the tax rates because they don't choose the government and, as I said, probably want tax rises on the rich to pay for expanded social spending anyway. If the quid-pro-quo was that rich HK people had to see some of their taxes go to Beijing, other HKers wouldn't care if it meant better opportunities for them.

By way of comparison, Singapore has an excellent housing system thanks to widespread state ownership/management. It's also still a good place for people to do business and has a low rate of civil unrest. It's also been ruled by the same party since the city-state was created through clever manipulation of the legal system and other legislation, so it's not like in order to have good public services you need to be a fully open multi-party democratic state. The price of CCP control of HK doesn't have to be a shitty life for everyone bar the rich.

emblem21 said:

This is getting silly, if he is trying to paint HK as a city of victims, then he can applying that logic to almost any city on the planet.

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Hardly. If residents can choose their governments directly then they can't be victims for getting what they vote for (except maybe in cases of extreme deception by politicians during campaigns or mismanagement in office).

But ordinary HK residents can't choose their government. HK's current economy is set up to primarily service the rich people who want low taxes, who also have a disproportionate amount of control in the electoral system and are opposed to electoral reform (because that might lead to higher taxes). So in that sense, ordinary HKers could be considered victims.

@emblem21 @PikeCowboy @tamsen_ikard

Guys, it's obvious our friend from the A-Team got selective seeing, hearing and reasoning issues. Either that he's just plain trolling.

With all the rioting, and killing by the police, plain cloth police, and even teenage vigilante killing going in the US on our daily news which even he can't say he didn't see or hear about it. But somehow a clip of video showing Hong Kong police taking down thugs. And pop he comes like a regular Jack-in-the-box. Crying foul, proof of big bad China heavy hardiness. Gee much selective reasoning?

And then he try and justify his reasoning by pointing out Hong Kong's lack of 'democracy'?! Lol. Conviently not mentioning Hong Kong's complete lack of democracy for over 150 years under British colonial rule! Selective reasoning or what!

So it is pointless to engage with him because he, either lack critical reasoning power or have selective memory. Either way it is hopeless.

Let us remind ourselves how we got here. Looks familiar?









Clandestine meeting with foreign forces.



So where was the outrage from Mr T?

Mr T said:

https://www.facebook.com/1474101479504603/posts/2698204407094298

Just your weekly reminder that the HK police never use excessive violence and can be identified at all times via clearly displayed serial numbers.



I know, right? Only the CCP can protect Hong Kong people from making terrible choices at the ballot box. Imagine if someone could stand for the Chief Executive position without the CCP's blessing and get elected in a free and fair election - they might give HK people what they want!

Vote CCP for another half century of authoritarian one-party rule.

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Let us know when HKPF does this to old gramps and just don't care and walk away. 100 vs 1??

Mr T said:

If you're saying that HK isn't paying enough tax and should be contributing more to the national coffers, then as I said that's something within the power of the CCP and its allies in the HK business elite that have majority control over HK politics. Ordinary HK residents can't do anything about the tax rates because they don't choose the government and, as I said, probably want tax rises on the rich to pay for expanded social spending anyway. If the quid-pro-quo was that rich HK people had to see some of their taxes go to Beijing, other HKers wouldn't care if it meant better opportunities for them.

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CCP doesn't have majority control over HK politics because every time they try to push reform a bunch of smart asses get around and sacks the legislative building. CCP cares about HK, it wants it to do well but doesn't need it to be the next ShangHai or ShenZhen, if HK wants to be more than "just another Chinese city" HKers need to figure their own shit out, as in what's their niche? what is their value? how can they be helpful?

I'm not saying that HK should pay more taxes, as far as I know CCP ain't short on tax money, I'm saying that the HK people need to know who's feeding them and not go around trashing China in front of others it's embarrassing. It's like the teenager who goes around public dissing his own family to strangers as if that makes him look better, as if the strangers care more about him than his own parents. I'm saying Hker's should put their heads down and work hard and think about how they can contribute to China and make it a better place for everyone (maybe even including political reform if it comes from a genuine place) instead of thinking all the time about how they deserve this and that and how they're better than everyone else.

I agree with you that HK is going down the wrong path with FIRE dominating the landscape and the wealthy real-estate tycoons strangling the economy... I think both HKers and CCP agree that these people need to be taken down a notch but CCP wants to do it their way and the HK people want to ?vote them out? (you can't really vote out rich people"). I'm willing to concede that CCP has been slow and negligent with HK, mainly because they want to white glove everything but now with the HK affairs department elevated to semi-national level and the new security law hopefully things will start to move ahead.

Mr T said:

https://www.facebook.com/1474101479504603/posts/2698204407094298

Just your weekly reminder that the HK police never use excessive violence and can be identified at all times via clearly displayed serial numbers.

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It is a beautiful sight to behold and I commend the HKPF there for maintaining law and order in light of foreign thugs and their stooges' subversion actions in Hong Kong these days and thank you very much for sharing it, Mr. T.