Hong-Kong Protests

AndrewS said:

I think you're exaggerating the state of racism in the UK.

The culture is one where people are on the quiet, reserved and polite side of the spectrum.
Overt harassment of any sort is not the norm.
High levels of friendliness to an outright stranger is not a characteristic of any established culture.

In comparison, the newer cultures of the USA and Australia celebrate openness, but also directness, violence and redneck views.
So harassment (of any sort) is far more common.

And another big difference is that he UK is traditionally a class-based society, which hasn't had a history of large numbers of visible immigrants and the subsequent racial tensions.

In comparison, the US and Australia enshrined racial hierarchy into law, and their societies were built on those foundations.

If you speak to people who have lived in different countries, they can confirm these differences.

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Dolcevita said:

We have to disagree.

While many if not all of us have experience subtle and verbal racism, Even some physical robberies that may be racially motivated. The only instance of blatant and senseless physical racism by any family member is in the suburb of London.

I have a relative married to a Chinese Baptist pastor from HK, whose congregation unfortunately is anti-Chinese ever since he was assigned there. Being a pastor, he is very mild mannered and soft-spoken. They (2 adults and 2 small children) visited family in London suburb (1.5 hours away) for a week or so. One day, they run out of eggs and decided to go to the grocer on foot since they did not have a car. They asked some "fine English Gentlemen" for directions. They were not only taunted for no reason other than their race, they were followed by car when walking on a rustic road to the grocer, repeated pelted with egg over and over again for no other reason other than being mean and blatantly racist. Needless to say, the 2 children were traumatized. This happened perhaps 10 years ago in a span of 1 week stay but this kind of blatant physical racism is less common in the US.

Of course there are other more subtle and verbal racism also.

Now that is not what i would call quiet, reserved and polite.

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Dolcevita said:

We have to disagree.

While many if not all of us have experience subtle and verbal racism, Even some physical robberies that may be racially motivated. The only instance of blatant and senseless physical racism by any family member is in the suburb of London.

I have a relative married to a Chinese Baptist pastor from HK, whose congregation unfortunately is anti-Chinese ever since he was assigned there. Being a pastor, he is very mild mannered and soft-spoken. They (2 adults and 2 small children) visited family in London suburb (1.5 hours away) for a week or so. One day, they run out of eggs and decided to go to the grocer on foot since they did not have a car. They asked some "fine English Gentlemen" for directions. They were not only taunted for no reason other than their race, they were followed by car when walking on a rustic road to the grocer, repeated pelted with egg over and over again for no other reason other than being mean and blatantly racist. Needless to say, the 2 children were traumatized. This happened perhaps 10 years ago in a span of 1 week stay but this kind of blatant physical racism is less common in the US.

Of course there are other more subtle and verbal racism also.

Now that is not what i would call quiet, reserved and polite.

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supercat said:

Yet more hypocrisy from Tom Cotton, who wanted to call in the army to crush protesters just the other day:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268778070112002048

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AndrewS said:

You're focusing on your own experiences rather than the bigger picture.

If you re-read what I wrote, I was referring to racism in general, rather than the specific experience of racism against East Asians.

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Remember that in the USA, Asian-Americans are held up as a model minority who are educated, hard-working, quiet and subserviant.
And that the focus of US racism is targeted more towards Blacks and Hispanics who are far more common in the USA than in the UK.

Think about how the experiences of *Dirty* Mexican Immigrants or Black *Criminals* in the USA.

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Gatekeeper said:

I hope you are right, but I think not. So we have to agreed to disagreed.

You see, I've been around a block or two. I see you're from London. Me having lived and worked in London and the home counties for nearly 30 years. I certainly have seen my fair share of racism. And racism comes in all forms.

I suspect you're a younger man than me. So all the race riots we had was probably history to you. Where as I, it was like yesterday. The Brixton race riots, toxiteth and others still etched deep in my memory.

Also, London is quite possibly the most multi-cultral city of the UK. now that I've moved to quieter abode out in the sticks. It's like a step back in time, where seeing a coloured person is still something you only do down the local Chinese take away.

The latent racism is there, and after experiencing the debacle of Brexit where all xenophobic bigot thought it was ok to voice their hatred of all things foreign. But now have gone back into their shell because Brexit has been won doesn't mean it isn't there. They just laying in wait till the next crisis involving foreigners. And that could be this Hong Kong BNO debacle! And when that happens, they will be out in force. The Tories knows that, which is why Boris is very careful with his words of "help". Only extend stay (a longer holiday), not full citizenship. I think the reactions from these latent racists would be quite different if it was full citizenship.



Everyday I have had to defend myself from friends and colleagues about Hong Kong like this.



Don't these thugs ever stop and give everyone some peace! Calling for boycott of school



It is pure brain washing of these kids that got where we are today. It's time to remind us this from last year. It's priceless, this woman claimed her son was killed aged 20 back in China in 1989 Tiananmen. How old was she to have given birth. You can't make it up. (You have to add another year to this, as it was last year's. But you get the ideal).

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muddie said:

Who cares what Tom Cotton thinks, he is a far right nationalist that even most Americans hate. He has made comments in the past that would be considered racist and highly derogatory, not to mention ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a closet white supremacist who has connections to various white supremacy organizations.

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Some waved flags advocating “Hong Kong independence” as they marched. Banners of “Heaven will destroy the CCP [Chinese Communist Party]” and “US troops please help to protect Hong Kong” were also displayed. Some protesters verbally abused police officers.

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