Hong-Kong Protests

free_6ix9ine

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I hope you are right, but I think not. So we have to agreed to disagreed.

You see, I've been around a block or two. I see you're from London. Me having lived and worked in London and the home counties for nearly 30 years. I certainly have seen my fair share of racism. And racism comes in all forms.

I suspect you're a younger man than me. So all the race riots we had was probably history to you. Where as I, it was like yesterday. The Brixton race riots, toxiteth and others still etched deep in my memory.

Also, London is quite possibly the most multi-cultral city of the UK. now that I've moved to quieter abode out in the sticks. It's like a step back in time, where seeing a coloured person is still something you only do down the local Chinese take away.

The latent racism is there, and after experiencing the debacle of Brexit where all xenophobic bigot thought it was ok to voice their hatred of all things foreign. But now have gone back into their shell because Brexit has been won doesn't mean it isn't there. They just laying in wait till the next crisis involving foreigners. And that could be this Hong Kong BNO debacle! And when that happens, they will be out in force. The Tories knows that, which is why Boris is very careful with his words of "help". Only extend stay (a longer holiday), not full citizenship. I think the reactions from these latent racists would be quite different if it was full citizenship.

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Everyday I have had to defend myself from friends and colleagues about Hong Kong like this.

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Don't these thugs ever stop and give everyone some peace! Calling for boycott of school

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It is pure brain washing of these kids that got where we are today. It's time to remind us this from last year. It's priceless, this woman claimed her son was killed aged 20 back in China in 1989 Tiananmen. How old was she to have given birth. You can't make it up. (You have to add another year to this, as it was last year's. But you get the ideal).

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I don't live in the UK, so I can't comment on London. But I've met plenty of racist white people who aren't racist explicitly to strangers, but hold racist opinions and expresses them to their close circle.
 
I don't live in the UK, so I can't comment on London. But I've met plenty of racist white people who aren't racist explicitly to strangers, but hold racist opinions and expresses them to their close circle.

London is a lot more multi-cultured but do not confuse London with the suburbs. London is actually very pleasant but do not be deceived, It is a very superficial view.

I hear many instances of racism against Chinese including those from HK, once outside of London. That's why I never bother to venture away from London when there, Perhaps still OK if you go out on guided tours but still prudent to minimize any trips on your own. Too many harassment that are not being reported,

Even Americans in general are much friendlier.
 
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free_6ix9ine

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London is a lot more multi-cultured but do not confuse London with the suburbs. London is actually very pleasant but do not be deceived, It is a very superficial view.

I hear many instances of racism against Chinese including those from HK, once outside of London. That's why I never bother to venture away from London when there, Perhaps still OK if you go out on guided tours but still prudent to minimize any trips on your own. Too many unreported harassment that are not being reported,

Ya I mean personally Im not super worried about harrassment. I used to live in a really dangerous city, where gun crime and murder is basically a daily occurrence. Used to take the train late at night with a bunch of sketchy people from the housing projects after going out to bars and stuff, never really was bothered by anyone.

I think the key is to not make unnecessary eye contact, don't play with your phone, be alert of your surroundings, look like your confident and relaxed. Never really had a problem with anyone.
 
Ya I mean personally Im not super worried about harrassment. I used to live in a really dangerous city, where gun crime and murder is basically a daily occurrence. Used to take the train late at night with a bunch of sketchy people from the housing projects after going out to bars and stuff, never really was bothered by anyone.

I think the key is to not make unnecessary eye contact, don't play with your phone, be alert of your surroundings, look like your confident and relaxed. Never really had a problem with anyone.

You are probably young and confident. It does make a difference as you alluded. But what about when you are more vulnerable, travelling with children and elderly.
 

supersnoop

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Yep. Pompeo and US State Department is standing on flimsy ground with not a string of credibility,
The only truth Pompeo ever spoke was "We lie, we cheat, we stole"

The worst is that this guy says it just one day after his boss proudly proclaimed that “Hopefully George is looking down and saying this is a great thing that's happening for our country“ with regards to jobs statistics.
 

AndrewS

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London is a lot more multi-cultured but do not confuse London with the suburbs. London is actually very pleasant but do not be deceived, It is a very superficial view.

I hear many instances of racism against Chinese including those from HK, once outside of London. That's why I never bother to venture away from London when there, Perhaps still OK if you go out on guided tours but still prudent to minimize any trips on your own. Too many harassment that are not being reported,

Even Americans in general are much friendlier.

I think you're exaggerating the state of racism in the UK.

The culture is one where people are on the quiet, reserved and polite side of the spectrum.
Overt harassment of any sort is not the norm.
High levels of friendliness to an outright stranger is not a characteristic of any established culture.

In comparison, the newer cultures of the USA and Australia celebrate openness, but also directness, violence and redneck views.
So harassment (of any sort) is far more common.

And another big difference is that he UK is traditionally a class-based society, which hasn't had a history of large numbers of visible immigrants and the subsequent racial tensions.

In comparison, the US and Australia enshrined racial hierarchy into law, and their societies were built on those foundations.

If you speak to people who have lived in different countries, they can confirm these differences.
 

AndrewS

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This is interesting.

Normally I wouldn't quote the Daily Fail or the Express, but in this case it is highly relevant because they are both newspapers that support the Conservative Party.

They are reporting that the Cabinet is divided over the current China-confrontation policy, because it will stunt the UK's economic recovery from what are depression-era levels of unemployment.

It's also no secret that the performance of Boris Johnson during the pandemic has been found sorely lacking, and there is speculation on who will replace him.

Tories at WAR: Boris and Rishi rift erupts over response to China - 'Cracks are growing'

BORIS JOHNSON's Cabinet is said to be divided over his tough response to China following Beijing's latest actions - with one MP claiming cracks are appearing in the Prime Minister's relationship with Rishi Sunak.

The MP further suggested the highly-regarded Chancellor tipped to replace the Prime Minister in Number 10 sooner than expected. Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak are increasingly divided on the subject of China, with the former keen to take a tougher stance with Beijing, and the latter wary of putting up an "economic wall", fearing such a move would slow the UK's coronavirus recovery, the MP claimed.

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Is a split emerging between Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak?
Tory MPs fear 'growing cracks' after disagreements on China and US trade deal - but No 10 denies 'tired' PM needs three-hour naps after virus battle

  • The Cabinet is split over the UK's future relationships with China and the US
  • Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak are disagreeing over the UK's future with Beijing
  • Tory MPs fear that cracks are growing between the PM and the Chancellor
  • Some sources even suggest that Mr Sunak is allowing the cracks to happen
  • Rumours are growing over Mr Johnson's need to nap two or three naps are day
Tory MPs have expressed concern about ‘growing cracks’ between Boris Johnson and his Chancellor Rishi Sunak, as Cabinet splits widen over post-Brexit economic policy and the UK’s tense relationship with China.

Differences between the two most powerful members of the Government came to a head last week in meetings about the security threat posed by Beijing and the scope of a new trade deal with Washington.

Sources also claimed that a rift has opened up over coronavirus strategy – although allies of both men insisted last night they are ‘on the same page’ in terms of managing a swift exit from the lockdown and avoiding austerity measures during the recovery.

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