Yes, and I have never denied Western meddling in HK. However, the root of the conflict is that HKers do not want to become part of China. That's a headache for both HK and China.
Hong-Kong Protests
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Skywatcher
Captain
Honestly, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things that those people don't want to be part of China.
supercat
Major
Maybe they should leave Hong Kong? I'm sure some people in China do not want to be Chinese either. It should not be a major problem, because both Hong Kong and China have a free immigration policy.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
You're not continuing this conversation; you're degenerating it. I said that Hong Kong is unlikely to become a guerrilla state because its people are relatively rich and wealth-oriented rather than poor and religious/after-life oriented. So you posted some article about a few Christians inciting riot in Hong Kong presumably to show me that Hong Kong is in danger of falling into the hands of religious radicalism. I countered by saying that Christianity is still far from strong enough, both in number and in the place it has in people's hearts in China, to spawn a worrisome number of radicalists with the potential to downgrade Hong Kong's safety and prosperity in the long run. And this is where the conversation stopped and you started all over with a basic stand-alone statement that doesn't build on the conversation: "HKers don't want to be a part of China." Next time, just reply to the thread and start over instead of replying to specific comments with non-follow-on answers.
Hong Kong is already a part of China and whether or not they like it doesn't change a thing. What percentage of Hong Kongers want what? That's the million dollar question. Your generalization, which falls in line with the consistent pattern of your poisoning by the Western media, is neither helpful nor insightful at this point. And with evidence of counter rallies and public anger towards the rioters, it doesn't seem to be particularly true either.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The US Congress can only approve a state or part of the US seceding from the US. Guess what Beijing says...
Live with it Hong Kong or get out! Does China get to decide what happens in the US? No.
Live with it Hong Kong or get out! Does China get to decide what happens in the US? No.
solarz
Brigadier
I simply don't see how that is possible. It is trivially easy to completely lock down Hong Kong. Where are these kids going to get the supplies to carry out their insurgent/terrorist attacks? It would take China, what, 2-3 weeks to install a camera at every single street intersection? Combine that with a law that forbids wearing masks in public, and these guys would have nowhere to hide.
I think if these protesters started using terrorist tactics, it would give Beijing the perfect justification to send in the troops (got a strange sense of deja-vu... I'm sure I've written something like this before...). At least if they kept to peaceful demonstrations, they can potentially keep it up indefinitely.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
As expected, the only criteria to be listed and banned as a ‘Chinese government controlled disinformation account’ is to post in favour of China (or apparently not enough against in the case highlighted).
This ban was reinforced even after the account holder got in touch, and the ban was only removed before the media got involved.
So much for freedom of speech.
Jura The idiot
General
Monday at 11:07 PM
Mainland Chinese backlash over ‘political decision’ by Twitter, Facebook amid US-China tensions
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“This is definitely a double standard. They are suppressing normal speech in the name of freedom – the irony!” one mainland user said on Weibo. “Turns out, the mainland is more transparent than this. They only block information that is bad for us.”
LOL!
related, hilarious, inside
Mainland Chinese backlash over ‘political decision’ by Twitter, Facebook amid US-China tensions
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“This is definitely a double standard. They are suppressing normal speech in the name of freedom – the irony!” one mainland user said on Weibo. “Turns out, the mainland is more transparent than this. They only block information that is bad for us.”
LOL!
Well, here is the issue. Yes, Hong Kong is definitely part of China, and HKers know that. However, Christianity, combined with HKers' strong believe in Locke's "unalienable rights" and the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon legal system, refuse to integrate with China. 2047 is not that far away, so Liberal-minded HKers youngsters are the most radical for putting up a last fight to force Beijing give as much as concessions as possible, including universal suffrage (to protect HKers' self-perceived inalienable rights) and limitation to Mainland tourists (due to difference over identity). HKers desire independence like Singapore, but they know Beijing won't allow that without a fight, so I think they might be using the word "independence" (and waving colonial-era flags) as a negotiation tactic against Beijing. In other words, HKers are waging their own maximum pressure campaign against Beijing to extract more concessions. They know Beijing probably would not use force, as doing so mean inviting all Western countries to sanction Beijing, triggering massive capital flights and economic collapse. Amid the U.S.-China Trade War, I suspect HKers know that now is the best time to pressure Beijing as much as possible since Beijing is in a relatively weak geopolitical situation.
Sadly, this looks like a Mainland Chinese versus the entire Western world plus U.S. allies in Asia. Name one rich country that is siding with China on this issue.